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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 26, 2007 -> 08:26 PM) Not DLS's best outing this season. Very nice outing for Broadway though. Needs to be more consistent however, as he's had his share of good and bad starts this season. Hopefully starts such as these are rare with DLS. He's incredibly valuable to the future of the White Sox. The most important prospect, IMO, and one where production and/or health can't fall off one bit. We need him to anchor future rotations and match other starters within the division. That's right -- I have high expectations.

At this point, may as well look forward to draft position. What's the difference between 100 losses and 90 losses, aside from the number of digits? Will fans say, "well, I may have bought season tickets if we loss 90, but 100 is just too much." We need every possible break. But knowing the White Sox, they'll suck as losing as well and go on a 10 game winning streak to end the season.

My expectations of Williams this winter is to assemble a trade package in which, two years from now, journalists of the opposing team are writing articles suggesting the deal is "haunting" them. That's just the position he put himself in. He better not fail, for his sake and the success of his franchise.

One of the best movies you've never heard of, Once Were Warriors, is on IFC right now. If you're unable to watch it, catch the re-run at 4 - 5:45am. Tivo it if necessary. This movie is teh awesome.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Aug 25, 2007 -> 07:14 AM) Ozzie speaks the truth, from MLB.com Scott Merkin If Guillen were DJ he could have summed up the entire struggles of our team in one unifying phrase: "It is what it is" Which, basically, is the equivalent of not offering anything of substance on the subject. A complete cop out to avoid criticizing the ballclub. Atleast Guillen is willing to tell everyone what we're seeing what our own eyes, and not what our team's broadcasters are feeding us.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 11:16 PM) Yikes, those are some decent numbers Reynoso has. Let's hope I'm not one day saying "Where's our Reynoso?" It'd be sad if Detroit not only had the benefit of drafting pitchers who dropped due to signability, but actually produced several top tier international prospects as well. How would we compete with that? Here's another potentialy sad note -- a talented 16 year old shortstop out of the Dominican Republic named Edward Salcedo is being heavily pursued by several teams. Among them, Cleveland. Websites such as minorleagueball.com have conflicting information about who may have been the highest bidder. One obvious indication we weren't involved is the name of his agent. You know who. I guess we'll make a conscious effort to avoid his players in the free agent and international market. Here's a scouting report on Salcedo:

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 09:36 PM) This just in....the Chicago White Sox are not very good. But, according to Williams all this team needs is a few tweaks. We have the talent.

Heads, don't even bother posting scores from either DSL team. Both are bad (second team has second worst overall record in entire league), and I can't indentify any legitimate prospects. Browse through these statistics and prove me wrong. The closest is Anneury Peguero and Joucer Martinez. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...ibp&cid=633 http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...bp&cid=1612 Meanwhile, check out this pitcher Detroit has: Edward Reynoso Or Minnesota: Martire Garcia Where's our Dominican prospects comparable to these two?

QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 08:48 PM) That was a ridiculous decision to let Hall play hurt. To see such a big guy be a singles hitter is sad. Hope he's not around next year. At the rate we're going with Hall, he'll have the surgery in the offseason, take spring training and thereafter several months to rehabilitate, then come back in June when we're already 10+ games out of the division. I'm not too confident for next season, but I'd rather have Toby as a healthy backup than paying some other scrub additional money.

Why isn't Toby Hall undergoing surgery right now? It's ridiculous how he continues to play. The man hasn't had a hard hit ball all year long.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 24, 2007 -> 07:25 PM) Garland strikes me as kind of a flake. The fact the veterans gave up long ago, him included, makes me think he can bounce back next year if the Sox put together a team that can get off to a good start and look like a contender. It's obvious he's given up on this season. His overall statistics in comparison to past seasons suggest he will marginally improve (ERA+ currently 94, career is around 104), but even with an improvement from his current slide, he's still just an average pitcher. Whether he's "given up" or is simply regressing, Garland is absolutely killing his trade value entering the offseason. We're not winning anything next year. I wish people would get that in their heads right now. Just think to yourself what would have to occur for us to rebound and overtake every team (including KC) above us. It's just not happening. Best thing we could do is trade Contreras/Garland, promote Egbert/Gonzalez, and just let them pitch.

Two items featured on the WGN pregame which annoyed me. One, is the amount of time spent boasting the ratio of Boston fans to Sox fans. I understand pointing it out once, but seriously, Dan Rohn (?) went on..and on....and on.. about it. Boston is in first place and travels well; we're in last place. There should be no one suprised. Second was Hawk/DJ suggesting how NO ONE could have predicted the failures of this ballclub. ORLY? So Baseball Prospectus, myself and others around Soxtalk had no idea this team would struggle? I had this team winning 82 games in March. Others were more pessimistic than that. And how about Garland earlier this afternoon? Embarrassing. Williams should have traded him before the deadline. He'll regret it over the offseason.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 07:29 PM) How wrong is it to admit that I REALLY like the new Matchbox 20 single??? Yes. Although I enjoy the latest Timberland creation "Ayo Technology" with 50 Cent and Justin Timberlake, so I'm not one to judge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZKZL6Ed19M...ted&search=

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 07:39 PM) Also we know what the Sox history is with drafting and developing thier own players. They don't do it well. Its like asking Jim Thome to sacrfice bunt. They don't do it, so why expect it? Why expect it?! This is a concept I've never understood. A large percentage of our fans are completely passive concerning this issue. Why should Kansas City, Pittsburgh, or Tampa Bay fans expect a championship? They don't do it well, right? If our fans have expectations of the White Sox to be the best team in baseball, why can't this sentiment transfer itself to player development? Management from Williams on down should strive to not only have a championship calibur ballclub, but a minor league system capable of producing replacement level players. Andy Gonzalez and Jerry Owens just won't cut it. Personally, and I don't believe I'm alone here, I expect more from this organization. Everyone should be aboard and hold player development to the same elevated standards they have towards the major league team. What do we have to show for the last two years of scouting other teams minor league systems and selling players at the right time? Danny Richar? Maybe. Nick "Tick Below Jenks" Masset and Gavin "Arizona Fall League" Floyd don't do much for me. I probably wouldn't have cared as much if it weren't for Williams proudly raving on the talent both possessed. As of now, either appear major league ready, and as a result, Williams looks foolish. Any benefit we've had recently from obtaining other teams prospects is minimal and overstated because of Jenks. Until we have a deal comparable to that of which Minnesota received for Pierzynski, or Cleveland for Bartolo Colon (ie, franchise changing trades), then I'm not going to give Williams much credit for receiving Gonzalez and Danks in what's beginning to look more and more like one-for-one deals. I credit him for dealing McCarthy, but not for only one player worth a damn. Championships won't be won with small steps such as those. More contributing players need to return in trades if, according to you, our draft success is poor and that's just the way it is. In addition, if they truly knew the best oportunity to trade players Garland would have been traded last month. We're going to go through the same issues with his contract extension as what occured with Buehrle, and -- judging from his post ASB performance -- there's a chance we're not going to receive much for him if he doesn't rebound soon. Why didn't they see this coming? I wasn't the only one on Soxtalk practically begging Garland to be traded for positional prospects. Or how about Crede? He should have been traded with lingering back issues and Fields in the wing, correct? Because they were dangling him to Anaheim suggests to me the thought atleast entered their minds. It wasn't as if it was an impossible turn of events to predict. Certaintly more predictable than McCarthy breaking down. Why not? Why can't we be the Twins? This is exactly the problem I have with comments such as yours. We're so willing to emulate the Twins on the field with their philosophy of "playing the game right" and having "grinders," yet we're not willing to match the Twins and their success from within? It's just strange to me how you show absolutely no faith in the system, yet provide no criticism of Williams or anyone else. Almost as if you're virtually shrugging your shoulders. Even if you're more confident in him extracting talent from other clubs, shouldn't it be a priority of a contending ballclub to have their own draft picks succeed? Our ways of acquiring talent is really more limited than people think. -Boras re: draft/FA -Don't select players overslot -Don't have much success developing players on national or international level -Never can be expected to outbid anyone for a high profile player -Nature of market has made finding low-key FA's with high potential less and less likely -Few players on the team hold significant trade value -Fewer players on the team with value are expendable because of someone in the minors ready to replace them. Of course, the one scenario this could have benefited us was with backless Crede and Josh Fields. Only seems fitting Crede undergoes surgery. I don't know about you, but I believe one of these is the easiest to change. That's option #3. To hear people dismiss it is the equivalent, in my mind, of accepting failure. I believe Shaffer's firing two months ago suggests Williams doesn't take such failures very lightly.

Also, relating to the above post, Baseball America has a front page article concerning the signing of international prospects. It's subscriber content. Anyone mind summarizing the amount of money we didn't spend and the players we didn't take?

SSI sent this to me yesterday. I believe it's interesting, to say the least. http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?spo...8302&lid=10 I wonder where we rank among other teams and the bonuses given to sign Latin American players. If we're anywhere lower than the Top 10, something is wrong with this organization and its priorities.

Say what you want about Beane, but would I be the only one relieved if I heard Williams connected with these quotes? Just a sentence that atleast acknowledges the possibility of rebuilding. http://www.mercurynews.com/sportsheadlines/ci_6663217

QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 08:28 PM) Its a "ststement" signing that KW is not rebuilding, I guess lol, that's a hell of a way to make that statement.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 07:57 PM) I'm just sick of every other goddamn team in the majors at some point brings some young stud into there system that people go..."wow...he's a pretty good young talent". When is the last time this team brought somebody up...anybody...pitcher, outfielder...anybody who was actually really good. Sure...I'm very happy with Fields and Danks and all...but where the hell are our Ryan Howards, Ryan Brauns...somebody that just lights it up. I honestly wish they would blow this team up...but KW won't. It would be him admitting he failed. It's to the point now where I'm convinced, by nothing other than blind optimism, that the White Sox will have a Top 5 prospect emerge from within their system by 2010. You just can't fail this many times with first round selections, international free agents, and value from a trade without ONE person emerging. Right? Right?! Hopefully DLS will be that person.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 07:55 PM) It should be noted that there is an option for next year. I was wondering why Rotoworld was calling it a one year deal. Well, that changes this signing slightly. Although I still don't like how we're taking appearances away from Logan. You know damn well Guillen will prefer the veteran.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) A 38 year old LOOGY who can't get out left hand hitters anymore who evidently no contending teams wanted for league minimum. This really is a ridiculous signing. It's moments like this where I just have to wonder, would it REALLY be that difficult to take this amount and place it towards players in the amateur draft who may be seeking an overslot bonus of a hundred thousand or so?

Awesome. Let's just take more appearances away from Logan.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 07:35 PM) I should have left it at that but this also needs to be addressed. Buehrle will be 30 in 2009, Garland 29 and Vazquez 32 going on 33. 30, 29, and 32 aren't prime? I'm not looking at age, alone. Considering the amount of innings on their arms and the time all three have been in the majors, I'd say no.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 07:10 PM) just for the record, I think this signing will come back to bite us. I'd be shocked if it didn't. I'm sure even Williams recognizes this. It probably came down to the fact that there's no other options within the system, or on the FA market, that you could expect to replace his production without an extended contract. It'll be the same reason Uribe stays next season.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 06:41 PM) Baseball is funny sometimes. I know you've already written off the next two seasons but I would suggest waiting it out and see what happens. Nah, I've only written off 2008. There are several reasons I'm not thrilled about 2009. One is the strong possibility Thome, Dye, Konerko will be even slower and/or less effective than they are right now. Another is our starting rotation -- how will Buehrle, Garland (if he's still around), Vazquez hold up? At which point, none would be classified as being in their prime. The wild card here is the effectiveness (if they're still around) of Gonzalez, DLS, Egbert. In addition, there are several interesting prospects in Bristol, Great Falls, Kannapolis, so who knows? Two years is a long time; someone may break out. I just know, from looking at our system right now, there's no indication that we're going to be overwhelmed with blue chip prospects capable of replacing Thome, Konerko, etc