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QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 01:04 PM) People going full retard.. You never go full retard!! ...yikes...

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) Just looked up the numbers again, I didn't realize Parra's defense fell off that much, yeesh. So Parra/Garcia could maybe put up a league average RF offensively, but would still be a disaster on defense. You're right, Span would be a much better fit. A Parra/Avi platoon in RF would be better than league average offensively. Avi kills the defense platoon, but I am not ready to call Parra (the strong side of the platoon) a bad defender quite yet. He was among the best in the league a mere 2 years ago. LF - Gordon CF - Eaton RF - Parra/Avi platoon DH - Melky Late inning defensive replacement / PH - LaRoche That alignment IMMENSELY improves the OF defense and gives the Sox a great lineup. This is the best case scenario in my mind.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) Was it ever officially confirmed there was an offer out there? No, but Bucket said the Sox were going to make "an offer" on Monday, presumably their "final offer".

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) Interesting. Maybe I'm just ignorant when it comes to the splits. Either way, I think Parra would be a solid upgrade for sure. Would still much rather see one of the top 3 but we'll see. Edit: FWIW, Merkin told me a few weeks ago that he doesn't usually throw specific players names out. Could mean something the more I think about it. As I've been saying for awhile, Parra AND one of the big 3 make this team very, very good.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought they went with 4 bench players & 7 pen arms for the majority of last year, right? Yes. It'll be a 4 man bench. 12 pitchers, 9 regulars/starters, 4 bench.

QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:17 AM) If we add Gordon there is no sense in wasting time with Avi or LaRoche in the lineup. Send LaRoche off to Colorado with $10M and whichever prospect not named Anderson/Fulmer/Adams it takes to get Blackmon coming back perhaps? At least be realistic.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 10:02 AM) I just don't see how they deal LaRoche for anything. If an offer of LaRoche & $8M in cash for a lower-level prospect didn't get it done, I don't think anything will. Judging by Hahn's comments, it sure looks like they don't want Avi starting out there. Plus he has another option. I think they hold on to LaRoche. Me too. A LaRoche/Avi platoon wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, either. Especially if LaRoche figures it out. Avi hits LHP very well. I still prefer to see Melky DH, but it probably isn't in the cards this year unless they sign two OFs.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 04:33 PM) Ok...so go make a post that says..quit following the Sox because all of their past moves suck and move on. None of this has to do with the topic at hand. This is my last and final warning...enough of this nonsense. If you want to post in this thread, post about Gordon...if you want to post about all the other moves the sox could have done and how their past destines them for failure than create another thread or just give up cause what joy is their in even following a team if you truly think they never have any chance of ever succeeding based upon the past. THANK YOU!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) Honestly, Gordon to the White Sox doesn't happen because we are never on the right side of the ledger in these deals where we add and subtract from a divisional foe... 2003 Kenny Rogers cheaply to the Twins, Sox have no fifth starter and fall short 2010 Thome to the Twins, Kotsay/A. Jones to the Sox Miguel Cabrera to Detroit because of better minor league talent in Maybin and Miller at time of trade 2011 Dunn to the White Sox, Victor Martinez to the Tigers That's three White Six playoff teams alone (2003/2010/2012) and the likelihood of even more with Miggy Cabrera in the fold that whole time. See below. You could make the same arguments even about last year...had the White Sox brought in Morales instead of LaRoche, C.Young/Madson/Volquez/Cueto instead of Shark, Robertson and Duke...Zobrist over Cabrera. Granted, the Royals were willing to sacrifice much of their farm in the process, as they didn't pick up any of the two month remaining salaries for Cue-to and Zobrist. I can't think of any time predating 2000 where we hurt a divisional foe and helped ourselves simultaneously. Guess it has to happen someday, right? Hahahaha, all of that garbage has zero bearing on anything relating the the 2016 White Sox.

QUOTE (staxx @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) Age, limited power, position switch from LF to RF, and the fact that his speed skill set will likely degress is what I'm talking about. For the price, I'd much rather have upton. I'm not saying Gordon wouldn't help, but there are better options. He'd play LF. They're not signing Gordon, an elite LF, and moving him to RF. He doesn't have limited power. He has 7 less HRs per 162 than Upton, while playing in a pitchers park that is hard to hit homers in his whole career versus Upton playing in Arizona's bandbox for most of his career. I agree that age is the biggest factor, but if you can get him for a 4 years rather than 6 or 7 for Upton and/or Cesepedes, it ends up not mattering all that much in the end, for comparisons sake. I don't worry too much about Alex Gordon falling off a cliff of 34. Regarding speed skillset - you could say that about any of the big three. His positives - great OBP, excellent defense and left handedness far outweigh your perceived negatives in his game, IMHO. That said, give me any of the three and I will be giddy.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:55 PM) He is 32 yr old at 20 mil a year pass. Doubt he gets that much.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) He's owed $29M over two years. The point was how nice it would be to cut him and the salary. As recently as 2014, Melky was worth significantly more than what he is due the next two years. He had a bad year and still put okay offensive numbers. I am the biggest proponent of getting him out of the outfield everyday, but I think if the Sox wanted to just get out from under his contract they could. I also think he'll be worth his contract the next two years..the dudes a pretty good hitter.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) why the hell not? smh

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:34 PM) I believe you but that's ridiculous for a player like Gordon. Man, NFL teams have it made. They get to cut guys and those 8 year deals mean nothing. They don't have to pay up like baseball teams do. Think of all the guys the Sox would have just cut. LaRoche, Dunn, Melky, Rios. Zero chance the Sox would cut Melky.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:30 PM) Why does everyone want Gordon or Upton? Am I the only one that would be ecstatic to see the Sox get Cespedes? No. Everyone (well, most everyone) would be happy with any of the three. Cespedes might be the sexiest (for lack of a better word) of the three, but the dude has warts. He never walks, which is something is team badly needs. He isn't a great defender and will likely continue to get worse. And while I don't have any evidence of this, I don't get the feeling he is a team first type of player. Alex Gordon is the epitome of a team player and leader - plus he brings high OBP, elite defense and a left handed bat. Oh and about $5-8M in AAV to spend elsewhere.

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) The thing that makes me nervous that goes with his age, is that he just came off his first injury shortened year. I feel nervous that injuries could become a regular occurrence now and if we are giving out our largest contract ever, I'd feel much better doing it to Upton for his age/health/other things. Meh. Defense matters. Upton is at best a mediocre defender that will probably get worse as he ages. If they were both in line for 4/year $70-80M deals, I'd agree, but Upton is going to cost $40-$60M more. Use the savings to make the team better in other areas. Don't get me wrong, I'd be estatic if the Sox signed Upton; I just think Gordon is the best fit of the the three.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 02:23 PM) That name actually isn't as crazy as it sounds if the Sox lose out on the big 3. Worst case scenario is that they could get a guy like Rios to platoon with Shuck in RF. Avi would be a much better option to platoon with Shuck.

QUOTE (staxx @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 12:14 PM) I really believe that this is just smoke and mirrors for leverage on Cespedes/Upton. Gordon doesn't make sense for what we need. Uhhhhh...he is EXACTLY what this team needs. Literally the only negative about him is that he's 32.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) i wouldn't mind taking a stab at parra and if not him, i like David Murphy who is a lhh and plays the outfield. if someone looks at the lineup, it is heavily right handed hitting. Murphy's got a nice bat, but he is a HORRIBLE outfielder.

I think Gordon is the best overall fit on the Sox. He will command significantly less than Upton and Cespedes, plays plus-plus D and is a LH bat. I think Upton and Cespedes are better offensive players, but not $60-$70M better. I'd be fine with any of the three, but Gordon in LF, Eaton is CF, and a RF platoon of Avi/Shuck or better yet an OF platoon of Parra/Avi would IMMENSELY improve the OF defense, which I think should be a priority. For those of you that say, "well what about LaRoche?"...he can remain on the roster for injury insurance, pinch hitting, defensive replacement and Abreu's personal masseuse. He'll get his ABs. This scenario obviously requires the Sox to raise payroll, but they can get cute so it only bumps it about $12-15M this year and goes back down to $125M or so next year.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) What kind of contract do you think he'll get then? I could see 2 years $16M, three years $24M for Parra.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 11:06 AM) That $12 million is what I'm talking about though. I think he'll sign a deal much lower than people expected. Considering Zobrist just got 16 mill at 35 he should at least be getting that deal and I wonder if he will. I find it very hard to believe that he won't get (at minimum) a deal around $18-$20M AAV over 4 years. I also find it very hard to believe that he'd turn down 4/$80M and sign with the Royals at 4/$50M. No way he leaves $30M on the table.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 10:50 AM) Yeah, I posted that before I looked into Fernendez. I knew he had TJ but didn't realize he was such a health risk. I'd keep Rodon over Fernandez. I'd still like Ozuna somehow though. That deal probably doesn't get you Fernandez, let alone Fernandez and Ozuna (edit). But I don't think the Sox would be interested in that trade anyway, let alone what it would actually take to get both of them.. Leave Rodon alone. The dude is gonna be a true ace very soon.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) Despite what the White Sox beat writers say, the White Sox are very much willing to give up the QO. I said and Hayes told me highly doubts it but now Nightengale and Olney have said it. For Gordon or Upton...fine. For Fowler or Desmond...i hope not.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 09:24 AM) I feel like Gordon is going to sign a very team friendly deal for some reason. That reason would be that he doesn't have much of a market. The big market teams aren't looking for an OF. His "hometown" team is lowballing him at $12AAV. The Sox should really swoop in and offer him 4 year/ $80M. That's nearly $30M over the Royals current offer. He makes this team so much better.