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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:10 PM) They already brought that guy in with Jake Turner getting $1.5 million. If they see another guy that fits that bill, I have no doubt they would spend it as well. I'd personally prefer someone with a little more of a track record that may be willing to sign on the cheap with some incentives. Someone in the Arroyo, Beachy, Billingsly, Latos, Marcum, Simon, Fister mold. Admittedly, those guys won't all be signing super cheap deals, but most of them will.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) Realistically, if you are going to bring him back, the difference between 3 million and 5 million today is nothing. If you want him back as an organization, get him. If not, move on. $2M more you can spent on getting a bounceback SP to back up EJ/Danks. Generally, I agree. But $2M is still $2M more they can spend elsewhere, but in the scheme of things, it's chump change.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) Agreed. And he may. But $3M with a $3.5M club option with no buyout would be about as far as I'd go. Anything more and I'd rather have Saladino. That said, I thing there is something to be said for just turning the page from Alexei.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) If Alexei wants to sign a cheap friendly 1 year deal with an option for 2017 I am all for it but if it is going to be a lot more then he is worth I would rather just stick with Saladino/Sanchez and if we are in it at the trade deadline and both are horrible we can trade for one Agreed. And he may. But $3M with a $3.5M club option with no buyout would be about as far as I'd go. Anything more and I'd rather have Saladino.

I am fine with Saladino as the bridge to Anderson. Use the $ for an OF and a bounceback veteran RHP as insurance for Danks/EJ.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) Let's hope the solution isn't Nick Markakis, either. This is not where you split the difference and go for second tier guys making $12-16 million like Melky, Fowler, Span, etc. You either go huge or you come up with that creative value platoon of a Raburn/Parra. Definitely not sexy, but possibly quite effective. Avi could platoon with LaRoche...although that gives you five outfielders, Sanchez and a catcher as the bench. I'm pretty sure Raburn can still play a few of the infield positions...not SS obviously. Markakis wouldn't be that bad if ATL picked up half the tab, which won't happen.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) 5 years $90 million or 4 years $85million I'd be fine with that in the end, but if the Royals at really offering 4/$52M, they may not need to go that high. EDIT: I'd prefer to go 4 year than 5 with Gordon, but wouldn't be upset if they had to go 5 to get him. Upton and Cespedes I'd be more comfortable with 5 years.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) I don't think he's the best fit because he plays LF, we need someone to play RF. I happen to think Melky should be the DH most of the time, so LF is open. RF can be a LH FA (Parra or Span) or Shuck / Avi platoon. Melky sucks defensively and needs to play as little OF as possible.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) If they got one more hitter in the middle of that lineup, I think they could be close. Right now, I see Abreu in the #3 hole, Lawrie in the #6 and Frazier probably in the #5 spot. They could slide Melky Cabrera or Adam La Roche into the middle of the lineup at times, but one run producer is needed. I think that has been established.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) Please leave the Royals out of all conversations about big name free agents. According to this they are offering Gordon 4 years $52 million, what the White Sox did when Ventura was a free agent and they wanted to show the fanbase they "tried" http://www.royalsreview.com/2015/12/16/103...9892.1442855805 Great, cause he's the best fit of anyone. How about a 4 year $70M deal to get conversations started.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:56 AM) Why do you say that? Didn't listen. Question was something to the effect of...sure looks like you need to sign a RF, no? Hahn responded, "Yeah, it would appear that way." They then went on to talk about Avi, Hahn saying he has a world of talent but hasn't tapped into it. Both the team and Avi know here he needs to improve. If he doesn't improve, they can replace him midseason if he hasn't been replaced already.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:36 AM) On now. FWIW, Holmes said last night the Sox declined to be on the Score to discuss the trade yesterday. They were on ESPN 1000 yesterday however. I can see why. Rick is fired up. Focusing of why they aren't tearing down and rebuilding like Cubs, Houston, etc. and who is calling the shots between him and KW.

Can't get that link to work..someone who can please summarize what RH says! Thanks!

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) Welcome to the "White Sox are cheap and don't care as much about winning as the bottom line" offseason when all the remaining big names come off the board and musical chairs leaves the Sox as the last team left out in the cold. Half-in=death by 1,000 knife cuts

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) Boo! That would suck the air out of the balloon and piss off the marketing department in one fell swoop...might as well sign Franklin Gutierrez too. Already been signed, c'mon man, figure your sh*t out.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) That is the more likely scenario. Signing Upton or Cespedes is pretty farfetched in reality. Someone has to sign these guys...along with Gordon. The logical suitors are narrowing by the day. I think one will end up with Sox, in all honesty, and will be somewhat cheaper (less years) than was projected earlier in the offseason. AAV will still be there, but I could see a 4 year/ $100M deal working for one of these guys.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 07:36 AM) That's just not going to happen, if for no other reason than Cabrera being forced to DH and wasting another $13 million or so on LaRoche's deal. This should be a priority, not something the Sox are trying to avoid. Melky needs to be the DH at least 80% of the time. LaRoche needs to get a start or two a week at DH when a bad RH is on the hill, late inning defensive replacement for Jose and match up based PH. That is how this team will have success. If LaRoche happens to blows up and starts hitting well, its a good problem to have. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...two OF makes the most sense unless you're able to get Gordon. If you go Cespedes or Upton, a Parra or Span signing makes a ton of sense to be the strong side of a platoon with Avi.

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 04:53 PM) Hahn stated there is no room for a big signing. I didn't see that...where??

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 03:47 PM) Two guys aren't feasible. But it has to be one more. Parra in addition to anther OF probably isn't in the "impossible" category. Its not like he is going to get a huge payday. EDIT: Although that's why Gordon makes the most sense, IMO. He plays great D and he bats LH. He would make Parra overkiill. Hell platoon Avi/Shuck in RF. But if you go the Cespedes/Upton route, another LH OF pieces makes sense.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 03:43 PM) We added a potential middle of the lineup bat, but we still couldn't get on base to save our lives. Avi needs to go next, and hopefully we can nab an OF who could play defense and get on base (I know, easier said than done). Alex Gordon says hello. I don't get why he hasn't been talked about more around here, but likely because most assume he'll go back to the Royals.

1. Gordon 2. Upton 3. Cespedes

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 02:39 PM) Cmon SoxPride, you know better than this. We made our big free agent signing a year ago. Melky. Sox cannot afford to sign any of those three guys. I pray we sign Lexi right now and hope like heck Avi turns into mini Miggy like he was suppposed to. I bet they can.

I really like the trade. I think it is a good move and I am not going to lose any sleep over what we gave up. However, I think this makes improving the OF defense tough, which I think needs to be a priority. I had more or less penciled in a (close to) everyday OF alignment of Eaton-Thompson-Avi / FA pick up. Without Thompson, it goes back to Melky-Eaton-Avi/FA. I think this team really needs two OF....one of Upton/Gordon/Cespedes, and a lesser guy who preferably bats LH if you go with Upton or Cespedes. Someone like Parra or Span who can platoon with Avi, which gets him out of the OF against RHP, and also moves Melky to DH most days which I think is necessary. vs. RHP Gordon/Upton/Cespedes (in order of my preference) Eaton Parra/Span DH: Melky vs. LHP Gordon/Upton/Cespedes Eaton Avi DH: Melky LaRoche becomes late inning defensive replacement and gets the occasional start against RHP. This is probably unlikely, but I think this is what makes the White Sox a real contender.

I really like the trade. I think it is a good move and I am not going to lose any sleep over what we gave up. However, I think this makes improving the OF defense tough, which I think needs to be a priority. I had more or less penciled in a (close to) everyday OF alignment of Eaton-Thompson-Avi / FA pick up. Without Thompson, it goes back to Melky-Eaton-Avi/FA. I think this team really needs two OF....one of Upton/Gordon/Cespedes, and a lesser guy who preferably bats LH if you go with Upton or Cespedes. Someone like Parra or Span who can platoon with Avi, which gets him out of the OF against RHP, and also moves Melky to DH most days which I think is necessary. vs. RHP Gordon/Upton/Cespedes (in order of my preference) Eaton Parra/Span DH: Melky vs. LHP Gordon/Upton/Cespedes Eaton Avi DH: Melky LaRoche becomes late inning defensive replacement and gets the occasional start against RHP. This is probably unlikely, but I think this is what makes the White Sox a real contender.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) He's an all star. We have someone to root for in home run derby. Meanwhile, the team and org. got worse. The Sox had stabilized 3B. The weaknesses were OF defense and a mediocre bullpen. So what did they do? Traded a OF who plays impeccable D and hit nearly .900 OPS. Brilliant! They traded a pitcher who could have been an actual stopper, of which there is exactly one. They cry about lack of hitting, so they traded an IF who can hit!!!! Oh, and they crowded out yet another young IF. 2B wasn't an issue. We had great D there from a YOUNG player (which, I know, is a negative on the Sox). This org's disdain for young players is beyond belief. The irony of course is that at least 2 of those guys, if not all 3, will make the 92 win Dodgers 25 man. But they weren't good enough for the 25 man of Robbie and Cooper's 76 win Sox. Trayce Thompson has a .748 OPS in seven minor league seasons. You complain about defense, but then complain because they traded a 2B who cant play any. Use your brains.