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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 03:56 PM) He'd be a great for a "bust for bust" change of scenery type trade Not many busts hit 25 homers and drove in 80 last year. SOX are way, way, way better off keeping Tank around for another year before giving up on him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 12:46 PM) When Rios came to the Sox, he was basically having the same year in Toronto that he is having now, and all the Blue Jays got for him was salary relief. The question will be do the Sox want to pay him to play here the rest of this year or next, because the return probably isn't going to be a highly rated prospect. He also had 5.5 years remaining on his contract at an average annual value north of $10M. Now he has 1.5 years left at a reasonable rate and an option year. Far different circumstances. I have said this several times regarding the possibility of moving Rios - the SOX are not going to trade him if they don't get a meaningful piece back. Why on earth would they? No one is knocking on the door the minors in RF, he is paid what he deserves to be paid, if not less, and he is one of the guys that actually improves this team. If he a mental midget? Yes. Is he soft? Yes. Does he always play hard? No. But Rios is a very solid everyday player that is signed to a reasonable contract. If they can't get a very good prospect for him, keep him in RF until 2015, or until someone gets desperate and overpays. There is ZERO point in trading him off for nothing more than salary relief.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 7, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) I've been saying it for a while, but we've been spoiled with good play at SS for about a decade. Ramirez might be the most under appreciated Sox player of my lifetime. Seriously. I agree, and that's what makes moving Alexei so hard. Maybe he is more respected / appreciated among GMs themselves, but I just don't see it likely that the SOX will win a trade involving Ramirez, short term or long term. With that said, Alexei has been one of the SOX biggest problems this year, while he at times is one of the most valuable players on the team. Hard to understand. I'd personally keep Alexei, Alex and Peavy around if the SOX cannot get 1 major league ready prospect who is ready to legitimately contribute in return for each of them. Move everybody else.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 7, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) Ramirez SS Beckham 2B Rios RF Keppinger 1B Phegley C Viciedo DH Morel 3B Wells LF Tekotte CF 50 losses down. 50 to go. Let's do this! That is one gross lineup.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2013 -> 11:31 PM) But he also stunk in 2011. Seeing what we get for Rios is really going to be interesting. We're going to learn what people think of Alex Rios. Meh, I disagree. If the SOX don't get what they want for Rios, they won't move him. I think the SOX should trade everyone they can, but Rios is a guy that actually makes the team better. If they can't get what they want for him, keep him in RF through 2015.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 03:47 PM) We'll get garbage for Keppinger, maybe a really raw low level prospect at best. Its either that or a AAAA type player. Sign me up. I don't have a problem with Kepp, but I'd rather give his ABs to someone else at this point, like Morel. A Gillaspie / Morel platoon would be fine.

C Flowers/Phegley 1B Dunn 2B Beckham SS Ramirez 3B Gillaspie / Keppinger LF De Aza CF Trayce Thompson RF Granderson DH Viciedo SP Chris Sale SP John Danks SP Jose Quintana SP Hector Santiago SP Erik Johnson CL Addison Reed RP Nate Jones RP Simon Castro RP Dylan Axelrod RP Free agent RP Daniel Webb

Nothing really new here. Although, it does seem that rival execs think the SOX players have more value than many here seem to indicate, not that that is of any surprise.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 04:46 PM) Granderson actually makes a ton of sense to me if they hire a manager willing to view the DH as a rotating spot. Granderson could play some corner OF and some DH and Granderson, Dunn, and Viciedo could all rotate through that spot. If you add in another player who can play 1b and hit from the right side (crazy idea, Morneau) this could actually work, be fairly effective, and keep the veteran guys in the lineup as well. Morneau bats left handed.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 03:39 PM) August and September should hopefully be exciting months for the die hards who have wanted to rebuild for a while. I think you could see as many as 6 new starters offensively and a whole slew of new pitchers in the bullpen. I'd be floored if that were the case. Not against it, but don't see it happening.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 21, 2013 -> 12:59 PM) I would really like to see Axelrod get traded for a high upside low floor major league player that hasn't figured it out yet someone like the following: moustakas, conger, ackley, montero, or ike davis and a low minors live arm coming back as well. There is no way on God's green earth the SOX could get Moustakas, Ackley, Montero or Ike Davis for Axe straight up, let alone with another piece coming the SOX way.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 06:35 PM) Either way, there's no argument against Dunn until he sucks again. Until.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 08:17 PM) That is what people are suggestimg. Thinking drafting in the top 10 is a guarantee to get good players is hogwash. The Sox drafted Aaron Poreda 25th in the first round in 2007. Do you know that 4 of the first 8 players selected in that draft have lower career WARS than Poreda? Many here think Gordon Beckham is a bust. He was the Sox pick in 2008. Did you know of the first 46 selections of that draft only Buster Posey and Brett Lawrie have highrt career WARS than Beckham. Losing really sucks. To think it pays off down the line is a hope not anywhere near a guarantee. Hell of a post. Even though I am at the point in which I want to say f*** it, trade what we can, and get ready for a good run at it in 2015. But you're right, unless you're getting a top 3-4 pick, it is still a crapshoot.

Not a huge move, but I'd like to see the SOX grab Collin Cowgill if possible. Good speed, some pop, much better player than Wells or even Danks and Wise. He was just dfa by Mets.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 03:00 PM) Don't the White Sox need a plan before they start dealing pitching? Or are we planning on a last place stay of 5-10 years? Seriously. We have good pitching. Do we trade it all and become a 50-win team for a long time to come? What is the plan?I've yet to see anybody on here talk about what Hahn's plan will be. We're just talking about trading all facets of the team for I presume minor leaguers. Well, because no one here has any f'in' clue what Hahn's plan is. I am sure his plan was to let the season play out, hopefully come July the SOX are in a position to add a piece here or there and be a contender through September. Clearly that is not going to happen unless the SOX roll of 25 of 30 again, which is nearly impossible. I doubt the SOX trade much pitching. I like Reed alot, but as others have noted, if someone wants to pay a king's ransom for him, it is hard to ignore. Relievers are relievers, and while he looks primed to be a good one for awhile, they are somewhat replaceable. If someone wants to send you a player who can be plugged into the everyday lineup and produce for years to come, it is hard to ignore. We will all find out soon enough what Hahn's plan is. I think the most likely scenario is that the players who have contracts expiring at the end of this year will be moved (sans Paulie, for a multitude of reasons, one being no one will want him at this point), and the others will stay. Hahn will try to land a fish or two in the FA market (give me Morales and/or McCann or Granderson) and try again in 2014. One player who is not close to free agency that I could see moved is De Aza. I think his lazy defensive play is starting to wear a little thin with the organization, and if the SOX can get a team to give up a decent piece, he will be moved. Problem is that no one is really ready to take over the CF slot for 2014, but heck, let Thompson, Walker and Mitchell battle it out, even though none are ready. Let Danks get the abs for the rest of 2013 if De Aza is moved. Granderson could be an option in CF, but his days in CF are numbered and he doesn't exactly fit the type of player the SOX need (high OBP, high average), but he is decent buy low candidate.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 12:32 PM) Every player we would trade could bring back a very good player, impact player, etc. should we make the right moves. There are all kinds of fallen out of favor/bust types out there who are MLB ready, there are all kinds of prospects who people thought the world of a few months ago/a year ago whatever who have struggled or stalled, etc. The absolute last thing I want to see the Sox do & I've said this time & time again is try to deal off their best players for a couple prospects currently at the peaks of their value. That's the easiest way to come back with nothing. We need to target players who we think we could finish developing, not necessarily quantity over quality but a quantity of potential quality at bargain rates. The Sox need their next Uribe/Alexei/etc. and both of those guys were supposedly nothing special when they were acquired, Alexei being the UT type not good enough to ever start (was starting like 4 months after those comments) and Uribe being IIRC the schizophrenic just doesn't get it type who 1 year after being acquired led the defense to a World Championship. Let's focus more on finding those types and let's not worry about what other teams scouts are saying and so on. Your posts crack me up. What you think, I think, or anyone else thinks on this board literally means nothing. I like talking about possible trades and playing armchair GM as much as anyone, but you bring it to a whole new level. For years KW was the market setter. It is time to try a different strategy. If teams were calling and offering their top tier minor league talent for the likes of Rios, Peavy, Crain, Thornton, Paulie, Dunn, Alexei, etc. there would have been a deal made already. There is no point in making a trade just to make a trade, which you consistently advocate for. Now, I do think Rios, Peavy and Crain should command a very solid return. Hell, James Shields turned into Will Myers, and Shields only had 1 year left of his contract. Whether Shield and Peavy are equivilants is an arguementfor different day, and Peavy getting injured really did hurt, puns aside, but Hahn should still be able to get a pretty hefty return for Jake. It will come, patience young lad.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) FYI, Louisville is about to play on ESPN in 10 minutes, and Engel is their leadoff hitter. You can watch him on ESPN3.com as well..... http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/chan...size/condensed/ Except the Carolina - Carolina game is in the 8th.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 07:23 PM) We have open spots on the 40 man, no one would have to be dropped. Sent down, fine, Omogrosso, he's already been optioned this year. No when a players get DFA the team has 10 days to trade, release or send the players through waivers. Any team can negotiate with the Nats for Rodriguez until the 10 days pass, or the Nats put him on waivers.