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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 01:19 PM) They can't decline his option and then offer him a QO anyway. Doesn't work that way. This. That whole scenario isn't possible.

My thoughts are nothing original to what has already been said in this thread, but I am little surprised the Sox declined the option. Alexei is a much better option at SS than anyone else on the 40 man, despite being dog s*** for the first couple months of 2015. I highly doubt the Sox will look to the top of market (Desmond), with Anderson waiting in the wings. So Alexei still makes a ton of sense. Now if they think they can get him on a 1 year deal for less $, with perhaps an option for next year if Anderson doesn't continue to develop as the Sox hope - great. But I have a hard time believing Alexei won't be able to top something like a 2 year deal in excess of ~$16M, and I don't think the Sox should commit to him for two seasons. I like Alexei, but I also wouldn't be heartbroken if they go in another direction. He's been a very good, and very underrated player for the Sox during his time. I still think he is an above average ML SS, despite the numbers showing otherwise last season. But he isn't the most cerebral player, and perhaps someone with a higher baseball IQ up the middle would help the entire defense.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 08:55 PM) Plawecki/Norris and Frazier are my top trade targets for CWS with Hawkins, Sanchez, Saladino, Erik Johnson, May, Nieto, Beck, and Coats all being available to deal (Montas, Fulmer, Rodon, Thompson untouchable). As much as I would love Weiters on the South Side, his price isn't right and ATL will almost surely lock him up. Flowers isn't the answer and the hopefully contending Sox have no answer on the farm. A young C like Plawecki or Norris would be the answer for CWS. I could see 2-3 (Erik Johnson, Engel, Sanchez) prospects getting these deals done. Todd Frazier is a pipe dream that CWS has virtually no shot with (I'd offer Adams, Michalczewski, Hawkins, Beck for). Danks and LaRoche both off books. My dream 2017 WS Champion CWS: C: Plawecki, AJ 1B: Abreu 2B: Johnson 3B: Frazier SS: Anderson, Ramirez (diminished role) OF: Eaton, Melky, Avi, Thompson Rotation: Sale, Montas, Quintana, Fulmer, Rodon Pen': Robertson, Duke, Jones, Webb, Putnam, Albers, Danish, Jennings Lineup: Eaton, Anderson, Melky, Abreu, Frazier, Avi, Thompson, Plawecki, Johnson I bet Cinci would take that trade. I'd start with less, and think it could get done for less. Keep Sanchez. Trade Micah if he has any value in a move, if not, just keep him. Montas should be available IMO. Trance should be far from untouchable, but you need to get something legit to be moving him after his debut. Other than that, I like it, and think it's a fairly realistic guess at what the 2016 roster should look like, sans Anderson, if the Sox want to reload. I also see the Sox picking up someone like Fowler or Jackson or if had already made those moves.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) I don't think it's a no-brainer to pick up Alexi's option. Unless sentimentality is part of the deal. Saladino as good at 6% the cost. Spend the money elsewhere. Except Saladino isn't even close to as good of a MLB SS as Alexei.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) Realistically, Alexei will be our SS next year. I really believe that. MAYBE the Sox could look at Desmond at 3rd, but I don't see us spending big money on a new SS, with bigger holes at 3B and C. Exactly. Picking up Alexei's option is a near no-brainer IMO. Sure, the Sox may be paying him a $1-2M more than his "market value", but they have a replacement a year away and the FA market is void of legitimate 1 year options that are going to be both cheaper and more or equally effective on the field (as Alexei). Pick up the option, and worry about 3B, C and a legitimate corner OF.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) He either ways 400 pounds or is skinny and unrecognizable now I bet. The former.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) I'd like Gyorko if they paid some of his contract but they've had the same first baseman for the last four years and he's coming off his best season yet. I wonder how cheap Chase Utley would be. I was thinking that the other day, regarding Utley. Not sure I'd prefer him over Sanchez, but he could be a decent option on the cheap. What is his D like these days?

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) I would be all for going after Wieters for the right price at 4/64 I'd pass. My interest would top out around 4/45 and I don't think that will get it done. Not even close. People, this is 2015, soon to be 2016. $11M AAV doesn't get you that much anymore.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) I didn't get to watch Montas. How did he look? Statistically seemed decent. Really? You spend an awful lot of time posting on a White Sox message board for a guy that didn't happen to catch any of Montas' outings this season...You think you'd tune in just to see that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 11:13 AM) If they could move Danks and go with Johnson and Buehrle as 4/5, I'd be fine with it. I'm not moving Quintana though unless I get a ton back. Rest assured, nor are the White Sox!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) You are right. Posey beats out Salvy on production with .318, 19, 95. Amazing stats. .379 OBP. Who's better than Perez in the AL? While I would absolutely love to have Salvador Perez (as would most any team), he really isn't that good of an all around hitter. His OBP this year was .280. For comparison sake, thats below Alexei's OBP of .285 this year. The dude is allergic to walking. He walked a grand total of THIRTEEN times in 553 plate appearances. Steven Vogt, Russel Martin and Brian McCann all had higher WARs this year. Once you consider age and contracts, I'd easily take Salvy over any of them, but let's not act like he is a HOF yet. Very, very nice young catcher that is unreal behind the dish, and has a nice bat. That contract is one of the best in the game - it is literally robbery.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) From a purely statistical standpoint, LaRoche's contract is worse than Papelbon's. Unless Papelbon is some sort of clubhouse cancer that is negatively affecting other players, that trade would do absolutely nothing for them. It's a trade the Sox should do without hesitation if offered. Worst case scenario, you can always bury a reliever, even an expensive one, at the back of the bullpen. You're pretty much forced to give a substantial number of PA to a big money position player. There's less flexibility. Oh, he is. But the Nats still don't do that trade.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 04:39 PM) I don't want Cespedes either, but for what it's worth both UZR and DRS rated him as a very good fielder this season. Yet dWAR hated his D. I go more by the eye test anyhow.

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 04:28 PM) I agree. If they're going to shell out $100M, spend on this guy. Cespedes is a nice player and all, but he is not what the Sox need. Another mediocre at best defensive outfielder who hardly walks at all (low OBP) and strike out a bunch, and for around $25M AAV. That is a contract that you're going to regret (as are most FA signing these days). I for one hope the Sox stay away from Cespedes at that price.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 04:26 PM) Yeah, once you had NY/Chi in NL TOR/KC had zero chance for prime-time. I'd rather them be on at the same time or staggered 6pm / 8pm start times, plus they only play on the same day half the time. Afternoon weekday games are a complete joke. People work for a living...

The game times in the playoffs have really floored me...I know that it has been this way for years, but still. It truly is a travesty to have so many damn day games, I presume for TV purposes only. If the Sox were in the playoffs, I would literally have to take half days every single day they played because there is no possible way I would be of any use at work, and I'd be freaking out wanting to watch every pitch. It really sucks..I have to imagine KC fans are outraged by all the day games.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 19, 2015 -> 01:14 AM) Ervin Santana $13.5 million Ricky Nolasco $12 million Torii Hunter $10.5 million Phil Hughes $9.2 million $45.2 million + $23 million for Joe Mauer, so you're not far off from our entire 2005 team, maybe $10 million in separation. That's a lot of money for a starting rotation these days, although still cheaper probably than our 2006-08 rotations with Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras, Garland and Javy V. A very expensive, mediocre rotation, mind you.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 09:04 PM) The irony is that Yost would have been fired and Moore in hot water as far as keeping his job if KC lost that wild card. He definitely would have been gone with no playoff appearance. Meanwhile, the White Sox fans are expected to be more loyal to KW, Hahn and JR when their leaders have accomplished far less with those past seven years than Moore, who, once again, would have been fired (possibly) had they lost the WC game. Yost was gone for sure. And this for a franchise with 1/3rd the broadcast rights revenues the White Sox receive. And yet zero threat of anyone in Chicago losing their job...and even then, Ventura will be sacrificed to the fans despite the fact that KW and Hahn are the main ones responsible for the product on the field. The beginning of this post about KC is a big stretch IMO.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) I'd like Daniel Murphy to play third. Hopefully he won't be too expensive. He is below average defensively. No thanks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) With Billy Hamilton, not sure they'd even be interested in Micah, not to mention they are still committed to Phillips for at least one more year. Throwing a bunch of names like Montas, Beck and Danish together won't accomplish much, either. They'd ask for Fulmer or Anderson and pieces or someone like Eaton. For Frazier? Hah, then tell them to pound sand. Moving Fulmer, Anderson or Eaton for Frazier would be a comically bad trade for the Sox. And I like Frazier.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) Not to mention Miguel Sano and the Twins (yet another impact infielder at a premium position)....they finished exactly how we were projected to by most experts. Miguel Sano is a 1B. They'll try him at 3B, but it will fail.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) I think that one is the most realistic of any of the trade proposals on this site so far I don't like it for the Sox. Throw in Austin Barnes and I'd be a little more interested.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) Q is probably more likely to be dealt to the Dodgers for Puig. Still going with this one, eh?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 08:25 AM) I'm not sure Colorado would trade Arenado for Sale straight up. Maybe since they need pitching so badly, but that's how valuable pre-arb positional stars are. Colorado would kill for Chris Sale. They can't attract pitching to save their lives. Adding Cargo was a bit of stretch, but I certainly not as big of stretch as adding Q, Fulmer and Abreu.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 13, 2015 -> 11:22 AM) Lillian: With respect to you. Flowers is a black hole and no, no, no ,no to Olt. Still with four gigantic holes in the lineup offensively...just my opinion. Mark Every team has black holes in their lineup. So long as those players produce defensively, its not a huge problem. Very few teams have potent lineup from 1-9. The Sox can live with Sanchez and Flowers in their lineup. I am no fan of Flowers, but he is a league average catcher. The catching position around baseball is pitiful. I see no reason to play Olt. I'd rather Saladino play 3B. I thought Olt's glove was pretty medicre at best...at least Saldino can throw some leather. But I am pretty much convinced the Sox will have a 3B on their roster next year who is not currently there and one that will be batting between 3-6.