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Bids due in 15 mins, anyone have an idea how soon we should see the winner announced?

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) imo, the dodger will start with rodon then move on to Q is they are expecting to eat laroche contract and get ethier. Rodon or Q for Ethier? Nooooo

If the Sox decided to go the route of trading a prospect or two for him and having the Dodgers eat some cash, he would definitely be an interesting rotational piece with Thompson and LaRoche.

I would be ok with that if they took a bad contract back. John Danks anyone?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 07:54 PM) Asked the guy that started the CarGo Sox rumors of there was anything going on. He replied with this: @gastelumcharlie: nothing so far, maybe at WM, but heard from a @Cubs coach that @whitesox asking about Russell or Báez for Quintana rumors If the centerpiece of a Q trade is Baez, I will probably stop being a Sox fan

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 04:05 PM) No offense but that lineup still sucks. We need an impact bat and we'll get one hell or high water. My gut says Frazier but my head says CarGo I'm not enamored with it by any means, but I don't see the Sox springing for a middle of the order bat if Frazier isn't a target

Pre-Winter Meetings mock lineup: -Trade Nate Jones and a low level arm for Yunel Escobar -Trade Tyler Danish & Avi Garcia for Martin Prado -Sign Shawn Kelley to a 2 yr, $5 MM deal CF Eaton - 2.2 WAR 3B Prado - 2.0 WAR 1B Abreu - 3.4 WAR DH LaRoche - -0.1 WAR LF Cabrera - 1.1 WAR RF Thompson - 0.7 WAR C Navarro - 1.1 WAR SS Escobar - 1.3 WAR 2B Sanchez - 0.3 WAR BE Avila - 1.8 WAR BE Saladino - 0.6 WAR BE Shuck - -0.1 WAR BE M. Johnson - 0.7 WAR SP Sale - 5.9 WAR SP Quintana - 3.6 WAR SP Rodon - 2.7 WAR SP Johnson - 0.5 WAR SP Danks - 0.8 WAR CL Robertson - 1.1 WAR SU Kelley - 0.1 WAR SU Montas - 0.7 WAR RP Duke - 0.5 WAR RP Putnam - 0.4 WAR RP Jennings - 0.2 WAR RP Kahnle - 0.1 WAR Total WAR would be 31.6. Playoff teams have right around 40 WAR as a team.

Interested to hear why so many prefer Lawrie over Prado? Age? SLG? Prado is an elite defender along with being a solid OBP guy. For my money, I think I would prefer him to Lawrie.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) I voted for the Korean name, but is that the right guy? I might've f***ed that up, was hurrying to a meeting

This is the next thing Hahn and KW are likely to address, so I am curious as to what direction Soxtalk wants to go. If you have them trading for someone, please provide something you believe would be a realistic trade package. If choosing other, please provide who you want to see them go after. Please no Nolan Arenado for Erik Johnson and Chris Beck trades.

Just spitballing some numbers really quickly: 2016 Steamer Projections Alex Avila 1.8 WAR Tyler Flowers 0.4 WAR Dioner Navarro 1.1 WAR 2015 Errors Alex Avila 0 Tyler Flowers 5 Dioner Navarro 2 Passed Balls Alex Avila 2 Tyler Flowers 15 Dioner Navarro 2 SB/CS Alex Avila 21/11 Tyler Flowers 53/18 Dioner Navarro 14/9 DRS Alex Avila -2 Tyler Flowers -2 Dioner Navarro 2 Sample size is a little different for Flowers because he was a starter while Avila was injured and Navarro was a backup, but nevertheless, you can see that Flowers isnt really a better defensive catcher than either of the other 2. In fact, Navarro and Flowers are suppose to have the same defensive score in 2016 according to Steamer.

I personally think this is a perfectly suitable platoon at catcher. I will not miss Flowers one bit.

Per Rosenthal

Source: Free-agent catcher Dioner Navarro in agreement with #WhiteSox on a one-year contract, pending a physical.

Would love to have him in a platoon role. Dude mashes righties.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) Isn't that guy a member here or am I imagining things? Yup, it's raBBit

Castro makes zero sense, he is basically Tyler Flowers already. Bad bat, good pitch framer.

Let's be serious, Tyler Flowers sucks and really shouldn't be missed. Pitch framing be damned.

Lifetime splits: Navarro vs LHP .270/.336/.439 Avila vs RHP .251/.358/.423 That platoon makes a lot of sense

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:57 PM) #WhiteSox GM Rick Hahn on Flowers: "This move was done as part of a plan." Replacement move coming https://twitter.com/scotgregor/status/672215543924027392 Rick Hahn said this is part of a plan, #WhiteSox hope to add another catcher in coming days. https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/672216684095238146 Ah yes, the 3 year plan

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:42 PM) That's actually a pretty interesting proposal. Would a Q for Sanchez, Bird, and Jagielo trade be fair for both teams? f*** no.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:04 PM) Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 55s55 seconds ago One name to keep an eye on as White Sox seek a catcher: Dioner Navarro. Sense among competitors is something could come together quickly. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan I would actually love a battery of Avila/Navarro behind the plate

Unexpected.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 04:07 PM) As always, I appreciate raBBit's insight into the organization. But, I think it paints a far too rosy picture of it. As shysocks points out, a lot of the problems this article mentions the Sox fixing are directly attributable to KW (and to a lesser extent Hahn). Any rational fan would see that they have been trying to fix their problems, but at the same time the reason we're losing games now is the direct result of their actions in previous years. It's hard to say exactly how much it was really worth keeping them both around. I guess what I'm trying to say is that accumulating all this human capital shouldn't be taken for granted as a positive. I understand you were mostly trying to dispel the myth that JR is cheap, but quite frankly I don't care how much he pays his executives if they can't put a good team on the field. To this point, they haven't. Need to somewhat echo these sentiments. Brian, you wrote a great article and like everyone else, I appreciate your insight. I wouldnt label the problem of the White Sox FO as one of loyality, I see it as more of a problem of accountability. Kenny took over as GM in 2000 and in that time has been to the playoffs twice and won a world series. We are all thankful for that World Series, but it should not buy this type of freedom. Kenny ran the farm system into the ground along with almost completely ruining the White Sox presence in Latin America through his hires, why is he still around after 15 years? 2 playoffs in 15 years is such a poor resume for a team in a city the size of Chicago. It sends a message of complacency to the fanbase in my opinion. I will go one step further and ask why Buddy Bell still holds a position of power? If Buddy Bell is responsible for the development in our farm system (and the best homegrown players we have barely spent time in it), then how the hell does he still have a job? The White Sox havent produced a position player worth a damn in over a decade. I'm pleased the White Sox seem to be heading in a more intelligent direction as a franchise though. The talent that is starting to be produced by our farm is exciting and Im happy to see them re-establishing themselves internationally. I will say though, it is somewhat aggravating that they dont seem to go all the way in in any facet of organizational development though. For instance, if they are going to spend a 2nd and a 3rd round pick on FA in one offseason, doesnt it make sense to go over your limit in int'l FA the following July to keep an influx of talent coming in? Why did they even spend a 2nd and a 3rd last year in FA when there were so many other holes in their lineup? Im excited for them to have so many picks this coming draft and I hope they make the absolute best of them. Im sure that means this offseason will be less interesting than the fanbase is hoping, but those picks are going to be very important for this franchise moving forward. In terms of what this currently means for the White Sox major league team, well, that's kinda the most frustrating part. They have legitimate superstar talent there in Sale, Abreu, and maybe Rodon and have surrounded it with really nice core pieces in Quintana and Eaton, but if the system isnt really going to yield help any time soon, what good is it to have any of these guys besides maybe Rodon? They can keep trying to patch this up with band aids like they have, but that isnt really working. That is kinda babbling on my part. I guess my overarching thought is that I'm sick of the half measures by this organization. I appreciate that it might be going in the right direction, but it's been brutal to be a fan of this organization.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Agree, I don't care for Frazier much. He had a hot streak, but is sub standard defensively and outside of getting hot, is not much more than an average bat. Ugh, what? He has posted a 2.6 WAR or higher the last 4 seasons, with 2 being higher than 4 WAR. In addition, he rates pretty highly defensively. 6th best defensive score, 6th best UZR, 7th best UZR/150, and 7th best DRS among 3B.