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That's an interesting question he's got to know in his heart of hearts that he has failed as a G.M. The question is will he ever admit it to the media/fan base?

To each his own, my negativity towards this organization is based on facts and the won/lost record especially since the start of the 2007 season. Losing Hendriks didn't help but regardless if he was 100% available all year the results wouldn't be much better. With all the issues with this roster it's delusional to think otherwise. As delusional as say thinking that JR is going to sell anytime soon. ?

For those that are interested here are the dates for the 14 games where the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later AND wound up eventually losing the game: March 31, 7th inning (Graveman/Diekman), April 14, 7th inning (Diekman/Lopez), April 21 9th inning (Lopez), April 29 7th inning (Lynn), May 4 8th inning (Lopez), May 27 7th inning (Kelly), May 28 9th inning (Kelly), June 10 9th inning (Kelly), June 11 9th inning (Graveman), July 1 8th inning (Kelly), July 4 8th inning (Kelly), July 9 9th inning (Graveman), July 22 7th inning (Middleton/Santos), July 23 9th & 10th innings (Graveman/Banks). Also the White Sox are 4-9 in extra inning games because they are so bad at fundamentals even with a "ghost runner" on second base they can't score him. And remember this is the most expensive bullpen in baseball.

Not without starting pitchers.

July 25, 1925 - Sox catcher and future Hall of Famer Ray “Cracker” Schalk played in his 1,576th game behind the plate…at that time it was the Major League record. He played his entire career except for five games with the Sox between 1912 and 1928. July 25, 1954 - In the first game of a twin bill at Boston, Sox pitcher Jack Harshman set the franchise record by striking out 16 Red Sox. Harshman, a converted first baseman, was taught a ‘slip pitch,’ a variation of a palm ball by manager Paul Richards. He’d get the win 5-2. At the time it was two off the Major League record. 13 of his strikeouts were swinging on the day. The Sox would then sweep the double header taking the second game, 4-2. July 25, 1955 – As part of the class of 1955 White Sox pitcher Ted Lyons entered the Hall of Fame on this day. Lyons spent his entire 21-year career with the White Sox winning a total of 260 games. 17 times he won at least 10 games in a season and in three of those years he won over 20. He saved 25 games and had a staggering 356 complete games! July 25, 1955 –On the same day former White Sox pitcher Ted Lyons entered the Hall of Fame, former White Sox catcher Ray Schalk garnered the same honor. The two were actually teammates for a little over five seasons on the South Side. Schalk caught over 17-hundred games in his career which was the Major League record at the time. He led the league in fielding, putouts, assists and chances for a single season and caught four no-hitters including a perfect game with the team thrown by Charlie Robertson. He was the best defensive catcher in baseball in the early part of the 20th century. July 25, 1959 - Marathon game #2 of the 1959 season took place again against the Orioles and again at Comiskey Park. This one was another 17-inning affair that saw the Sox tie the game in the ninth and then win it thanks to Harry “Suitcase” Simpson’s single, scoring Sammy Esposito. The final was 3-2. Bob Shaw started and went 11 innings, Omar “Turk” Lown then went the last six innings and got the win. July 25, 2020 – Some afternoons you just can’t miss. Such was the case for Sox utility player Leury Garcia. In a game against the Twins at Guaranteed Rate Field, Leury homered from both sides of the plate in a 10-3 pasting of Minnesota. His first home run came hitting left-handed off of Zach Littell. The other long ball came hitting right-handed off of Devin Smeltzer. On the day he’d go 3 for 4 with two runs scored and four RBI’s. He became the eighth White Sox player to pull off this feat.

Watch the podcast and they explain their points of view.

Bummer has had more than one "bad year" but because he is left handed he may be of some value to another club.

If you read the book, "The Lords of the Realm" by John Helyar he goes into detail with what the independent Stanford economist found when he was allowed to see the owners books during the 1994 labor impasse. He (the economist) basically gutted the owners claims that the vast majority of teams were losing money and specifically detailed ways they were cooking the books. One example was the Braves who were owned by Ted Turner, the same Ted Turner who owned WTBS the station that showed their games on TV. Turner was "selling" the rights to TBS at far below market value then claiming the franchise wasn't able to get as much money in their broadcasting rights. Of course with Turner also owning the TV station all the advertising revenue was still going into his pockets but they could claim the Braves as an entity weren't getting anything. The owners were furious at the economist and vowed they would never allow the books to be examined again if at all possible. There is very good reason not to trust the owners or their claims of "hardship" in an industry that according to Sports Illustrated made 10.2 billion dollars last year.

I hope you are right.

True especially McGuffey. He is always talking about how the issues with this organization all lead back to the front office not doing their jobs properly.

When was the last time JR fired someone in mid season? Gene Lamont in May of 95?????

All national TV/radio money is shared equally among all clubs along with revenue from merchandise sales. When MLB sold off BamTech a few years ago each club got a 50 million dollar check so there is some revenue sharing. As far as a salary cap, forget it. It will never happen as long as the MLBPA is the strongest union in the world. And I agree with their position. If there are owners who refuse to compete for whatever reason or reasons let them sell to someone who will.

I'm talking about the Cubs getting into the playoffs. They are only 6.5 out with two months to go and may no longer be sellers next week.

All I can tell you is that I just watched it. It dropped 13 hours ago via NBC Sports Chicago. Runs :40 minutes and has been seen by 1.7K. That's all I've got.

As much as I hate losing to the Cubs, the very last thing I want to see is those clowns sneaking into a wild card post season spot, it may be best for the Sox to really bottom-out, just lose...lose...and lose. Lose 100 games if possible. That may be the only thing that forces JR to change and even then I won't guarantee that it would...but you've got to try.

They actually have by association when they talk about the shortcomings of the front office and how accountability is needed. They have mentioned JR by name at times saying how it's up to him to change things and how "miserable" he is.

Thank you, I'll remember that.

It's on You Tube, I watched it on my TV, don't know the link. If you really want to watch/listen I'm sure you are perfectly capable of finding it.

Just watched it on You Tube. Wow...he and McGuffey bury Grifol. Just absolutely skewer him. He acts like "his s%*# don't stink..." - Garfien. Talks about his arrogance (which is par for the course for this franchise/front office isn't it?????) Worth watching/listening to. I've always considered Garfien a house-man but I've got to give him some credit...he is really pissed off and laying into this franchise now. Guess he isn't worried about his job anymore for some reason.

Any realistic shot Giolito had of returning by whatever means ended when the Sox played hardball with him over 50,000 dollars this past off season. Both he and his agent let their feelings be known after it happened. He gone!

I'm guessing Balta is comparing the Sox injury situation to other teams and from that perspective he's probably right. But.......... Given the Sox have ZERO depth, as you said ANY injury kills them and the fact that the "core" group, the players they were building around, can't seem to go a month without something happening makes your point valid. This has been the situation for years going back to the start of the rebuild in 2016 when they had trouble keeping people healthy at all levels.

I think a better question is how does the fan base move forward? The answer to me and I'm not being facetious is to take care of yourself...watch what you eat/drink, see your doctor, exercise and hope to be around when new ownership takes over as it must at some point in time. Seriously because nothing is really going to significantly change until ownership does. This organization is so incompetent, dysfunctional and inept that whatever they do will probably be half-assed and blow up in their faces. When you have as many serious issues as this franchise has in so many different areas...from talent, depth, unwillingness to take risks, poor development at all levels, "baseball-stupid" players and self-imposed financial limitations in the name of "fiscal responsibility" I don't see any way out with the current individuals running things.

July 24, 1960 - In the first game of a double header at New York, future Hall of Famer Nellie Fox banged out his 2,000th career hit. On the afternoon he’d have a pair in the 6-3 Sox victory. The hit came in the first inning on a single to left field off of Jim Coates. The Sox would split the double header for the day. July 24, 1968 - Sox relief pitcher Hoyt Wilhelm appeared in both ends of a double header versus the Athletics at Comiskey Park and in doing so set the record for most appearances by a pitcher. The future Hall of Famer broke Cy Young’s record of 906 games. “Old Tilt” would appear in a staggering 1,070 games before he retired. Wilhelm became the top relief pitcher of the 1960's. In his six years with the Sox, he’d win 41 games and save 99 others while producing some astonishingly low ERA’s considering he threw the knuckleball. His highest ERA between 1963 and 1968 was 2.64, every other season it was below two. July 24, 2020 – Because of the worldwide Coronavirus pandemic the regular season started four months later than normal. A bizarre, bastardized 60 game season was ordered by Commissioner Rob Manfred after the owners and players union could not agree on a longer schedule. There were also new bizarre rules put in place, while many people questioned the wisdom of sports being playing while thousands were getting infected and many were dying. For the White Sox, hoping to build on three years of rebuilding and a terrific off season, they hosted the Twins who beat them up 10-5 putting a damper immediately on things. July 24, 2022 – After many years of waiting and coming close, White Sox great Orestes “Minnie” Minoso was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. The “Cuban Comet” was the first Latin player to excel in the Major Leagues and opened the door, much like Jackie Robinson did for Negros, to the wealth of talent in Mexico and Central America. Minoso was a six-time All-Star representing the White Sox, was named the American League Rookie of the Year by The Sporting News in 1951, won two Gold Gloves with the White Sox and led the league at various times in triples, stolen bases and hit by pitches. He batted over .300 seven times with the Sox, scored 100 or more runs four times and drove in at least 100 RBI’s four times. His combination of speed and power were unique for the time period. He ranks among the franchise all-time leaders in triples, at bats, walks, runs scored, RBI’s, hit by pitches, hits, total bases, on-base percentage, doubles, extra base hits and OPS. July 24, 2022 – Sox starting pitcher Dylan Cease was masterful in beating Cleveland at Guaranteed Rate Field. Cease went six innings allowing no runs on seven hits, striking out four in the 6-3 win. That marked his 11th consecutive start allowing one run or fewer which tied the modern era record for pitchers. It had only happened twice before. Bob Gibson of the Cardinals did it in 1968 and the Mets Jacob deGrom turned the trick in the 2021 season.

Remember JR said that finishing third could mean a good season ?

Well the bullpen can at least say they are well paid for their incompetence...the highest paid bullpen in the game! ?