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Potential players that can help change the clubhouse next year if they become available. Not win the division or get to the playoffs but make for a better product on the field, improve the win total and that fans would appreciate for what they do. He and McGuffy go into details on why they want each name: Garfien wants: C-Austin Hedges DH-Justin Turner 2b/SS- Jake Cronenworth SP- Lucas Giolito 2b - Adam Frazier McGuffy wants: C-Yan Gomes DH- Justin Turner OF- Eddie Rosario INF-Max Muncy OF-Jorge Soler Manager- Craig Counsell

Nightengale is reporting that Dayton Moore has told the Rangers he is staying and will not be joining the White Sox.

Believing or not has nothing to do with it. Until shown otherwise all we have to go on are his public comments. It would be nice if somehow she rejoined the organization in a serious capacity but as Margulis wrote today (I linked to his story in this thread) it is not happening.

Margalus on why Ng is not coming to the White Sox: https://soxmachine.com/2023/10/kim-ng-would-be-qualified-to-lead-white-sox-if-qualifications-mattered-to-white-sox/

I would love to have the chance to see the Sox get to the playoffs 10 times in 21 years myself regardless of what happened.

JR actually spoke with Leland after Lamont was fired. Leyland was angry at the way his long time friend Lamont was treated by the Sox and said he wasn't interested.

That would be a good move but contrary to what JR himself said he wanted. And if something like that happened I wonder how Getz would react. He could be put in the same position as Hahn having limited authority.

Agree.

Boopa specifically mentioned Chapman in his comment that basically the Cubs made mistakes in getting him for Torres. Chapman helped win them a World Series. My comment was in response to him.

Don't think I did but it was a reasonable assumption based on JR's track record. I did write that I was told that Kenny had told JR that when his contract was up (either this year or next year) he was retiring. So he was going to be out of the picture. I did write from what I was told that Hahn wouldn't leave to take another job unless it was in California because his wife is from there. She likes the Chicago area and wouldn't leave unless it allowed her to go back home. Regarding my comment about "one voice". JR HIMSELF SPECIFICALLY said that at his press conference so unless he somehow changes his mind he isn't looking for anyone to oversee Getz therefore Ng won't be interested. On a different note, did anyone see over the weekend where Randy Levine of the Yankees ripped the Rays and Marlins for not spending money but getting a lot of it in revenue sharing?

Chapman helped win them a World Series and Eloy is nothing special is he?

Not happening. JR specifically said he wants one voice and that voice is Getz.

October 16, 1952 - The Sox sent infielder Willie Miranda to the St. Louis Browns in a trade. So what? Well, consider this; it marked the third time in four months that he was dealt between the two clubs! Miranda was traded to the Browns on June 15… 13 days later the Sox re-acquired him and finally on this date they sent him back. The entire situation developed like this. He was traded along with Al Zarilla to the Browns for Tom Wright and Leo Thomas on June 15. The Browns then waived him on June 28, the Sox claimed him and he returned. Then on October 16 he was sent back to St. Louis along with Hank Edwards for Joe DeMaestri and Tommy Byrne. October 16, 2005 - The White Sox won their sixth league championship beating the Angels 6-3, taking the series 4-1. Jose Contreras fired the fourth consecutive complete game by the staff in the clinching game #5. The four consecutive post season complete games hadn’t been seen in Major League baseball since the 1956 Yankees pulled it off. After losing the first game of the A.L.C.S. the Sox swept away Los Angeles. Paul Konerko was named the A.L.C.S. M.V.P. as he hit .286 with six hits, two home runs and seven RBI’s in the five-game series. The city of Chicago, especially on the South Side and in the South suburbs went wild as the nuclear scenario happened for Cub fans…. the Sox were in the World Series!

October 15, 1917 - The Sox won their second World Series title beating the New York Giants four games to two. The score in the series clincher was also 4-2. Future Hall of Famer Eddie Collins hit .409 with pitcher Urban “Red” Faber, another future Hall of Famer, winning three games (and losing one!) Afterwards a young federal judge and White Sox fan, one Kenesaw Mountain Landis sent a telegram congratulating the Sox for a job well done. The telegram read, “We did a fine job today...we disposed of the Giants.” Landis would go on to become the first baseball commissioner in the wake of the “Black Sox” scandal. October 15, 2020 – On the basis of their first winning season since 2012 and tremendous individual accomplishments, The Sporting News named Sox G. M. Rick Hahn their Executive of the Year and first baseman Jose Abreu the Player of the Year. Hahn became the third Sox executive to win the award following Roland Hemond (1972) and Bill Veeck (1977). Hahn’s deals and restocking the farm system during the rebuild proved to be worthwhile as the Sox turned the corner during the pandemic shortened season with a mark of 35-25 and their first playoff appearance since 2008. He received six of the 18 votes. San Diego’s A.J. Preller was second. Abreu just crushed baseballs since the first day of the year, posting a .317 batting average with 19 home runs, 15 doubles and an American League high 60 RBI during the 60-game season, appearing in every game. He led the American League in hits (76), slugging percentage, total bases (148) and RBI’s and was second in home runs. Abreu joined Frank Thomas (1993) and Early Wynn (1959) as White Sox players to win the award. Indians’ right-hander Shane Bieber was second and Braves first baseman Freddie Freeman third in the voting.

October 14, 1906 - The Sox beat the Cubs, winning the World Series four games to two behind the pitching of Guy "Doc" White. They clinched the title winning the sixth game 8-3. “Big” Ed Walsh won two games for the Sox during the series with infielder George Rohe batting .333 and playing in all six games. The “Hitless Wonders” White Sox had a team batting average of only .230 for the season and hit even worse, .198 in the series. But they collected 10 doubles and three triples in the six games and held the powerful Cubs to a series batting average of only .196 After the game, owner Charles Comiskey handed a $15,000 dollar check to manager “Fielder” Jones. It was to be split among the players. The players viewed the check as a bonus for their efforts. Comiskey though considered it as part of their 1907 salary! The seeds of the eventual “Black Sox” scandal were perhaps sown on this day. It is the only time in over a century of playing baseball that the Sox and Cubs have ever met in the postseason.

Agreed, he won't pitch for a year and he's already in his mid-30's. Why do the Sox keep going down the road of relying on declining veterans?

It's pretty clear Kenny and Rick wanted a manager they could control and who wouldn't rock the boat.

Maybe they should be taking notes? https://www.mlb.com/news/bruce-bochy-blending-philosophies-to-lead-rangers-to-alcs

October 13, 1970 - New player personnel director Roland Hemond made his first deal in that capacity for the club. Hemond sent John “Pineapple” Matias and Gail Hopkins to the Royals for Don O’Riley and Pat Kelly. Kelly, who was the brother of Browns running back Leroy Kelly, provided speed for the “New Look” White Sox. A solid hitter and leadoff man, Pat would make the All-Star Team in 1973 when he hit .280 with 22 steals. He played for the Sox from 1971 through 1976 and stole 119 bases.

Saw a story today where the Red Sox are being turned down by candidates for their opening because of instability in the front office and ownership that changes their mind over what they want every few seasons.

October 12, 1966 - Another one of then Sox G.M. Ed Short’s best moves. He sent two-time former All-Star pitcher Juan Pizarro, nursing a bad arm, to the Pirates for minor league pitcher Wilbur Wood. Wood would blossom in Chicago thanks to his knuckleball, first as a record setting relief pitcher then as a four-time 20 game winner. Wood would also make three All-Star teams. He pitched for the Sox through the 1978 season. He won 20 or more games four consecutive seasons from 1971 through 1974 totaling 90 wins in that span. He started 181 games and in those four years pitched at least 320 innings. October 12, 2005 - In one of the strangest endings to a post season game in history, the Sox beat the Angels 2-1, in game #2 of the A.L.C.S. With the game tied in the ninth inning catcher A.J. Pierzynski ran to first on a third strike that bounced in the dirt. Angels catcher Josh Paul, the former Sox player, thought he struck out normally and never threw down to first base as required by the rules. Home plate umpire Doug Eddings agreed with Pierzynski and let him remain at first base. After pinch runner Pablo Ozuna stole second, Joe Crede’s two strike double brought home the game winner and tied the series at a game apiece. October 12, 2021 – The Sox were beaten 10-1 by the Astros in game #4 of the A.L.D.S. eliminating them from the playoffs and ending their season. But the Sox, despite numerous injuries that caused key players to miss significant stretches of time, still won 93 games and the Central Division title. They had consecutive winning seasons for the first time since 2003-2006 and for the first time in the 120-year history of the franchise made the playoffs in back-to-back seasons. They also beat their crosstown rivals the Cubs, five out of six meetings.

https://soxmachine.com/2023/10/white-sox-rumors-salvador-perez-whit-merrifield-a-little-too-obvious/

October 11, 1899 - The new American League was formed in Chicago. The city didn’t have a team in the league at that point but soon got the St. Paul, Minnesota team with their player/manager Charles Comiskey. They set up shop on the South Side at the 39th Street Grounds at 39th and Princeton. October 11, 1991 - Sox manager Jeff Torborg who was named Manager of the Year for 1990 resigned to take the job as manager of the New York Mets. It was a strange move and the real reason for it wasn’t made known until years later as Torborg told individuals and provided examples of how then White Sox G.M. Ron Schueler forced him out wanting to hire his own man, who turned out to be Gene Lamont.

Money has a way of doing that.

I don't think anyone is "celebrating" that game. Simple fact, it was a rare post season White Sox win and is a historical moment.