Jose Abreu

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) The Basabe of today would have been the White Sox top prospect a year ago. Tim Anderson?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 10:50 PM) For those who aren't familiar, Cabrera has had some off the field issues: March 2012 — Arrested for domestic violence against his wife. She said at the time that he hit her in the face and had slammed her head against a wall. He said that she had been hitting him and throwing glass kitchenware at him, causing him to act in his own defense (I don't think he conceded the head-slamming or striking her face). He said that scratches on his hand were from her lashing out at him. I did not see anything about physical harm to the wife. June 2012 — Cabrera shows up in court after rejecting plea deals, wanting to clear his name. Prosecution drops the charges without explanation. February 2013 — Biogenesis docs are leaked, Everth Cabrera's name is included among the clients. August 2013 — Cabrera receives 50-game suspension due to Biogenesis leaks, pretty much owns up to it all in tearful press conference. September 2014 — Cabrera is arrested for DUI (marijuana) while on the DL. Charges were ultimately not brought for DUI, but for resisting arrest and marijuana possession. September 2015 —After a miserable year in MLB (Orioles) and AAA (Giants), Cabrera is not called up to SF when rosters expanded. He was released after telling the AAA squad he was uninterested in playing for them in their last handful of games, expressing uncertainty about what the purpose of playing was if he wasn't getting called up to the big leagues. 2016 — ???, reports that he was playing in his native Nicaragua. Thanks for the summary. I was only aware of the steroid suspension so this was news to me.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 11:47 AM) Jason Coats has the same amount of extremities as Mike Trout so he deserves a shot! Come on people, Coats literally has no discernible skill set that makes you believe he will succeed in the majors. It's like people don't understand what a AAAA player is. Read the first sentence of my post again; and no, my point was that you don't give up on a player after 58 plate appearances.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) If he passes through waivers, he will get a chance to make a name for himself with the White Sox. They are going to be very bad for at least 2 years and that could easily be 3 years. If Coats keeps raking in AAA, they'll make room and give him another shot in the majors. I don't expect Coats to be anything special. That said, I do find it annoying that his "shot" in the Majors was 58 plate appearances, and many on this board think that's enough to make a decision on him. Didn't Bregman begin his MLB career 0-34? And, my favorite example: Mike Trout's first 60 career PAs: .185/.250/.352 Jason Coats' first 58 career PAs: .200/.298/.340

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) Davidson or Asche could very well be at third or DH. This is the type of guy you pick up and plug in and see if he can play. Hopefully he or Davidson can get everyday at bats at 3B or LF (Asche). Where would Delmonico play? I can see Delmonico at 3B and Asche in LF if Frazier is traded, but if he isn't, there's a glut.

To play in AAA? Can't see him at 3B there due to Davidson/Delmonico

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) And I believe you're severely undervaluing the fact that Encarnacion at age 33 outperformed Age 29 Abreu. Sure, but as a GM, I'd feel more comfortable paying less money to a 33 year old Abreu than a 37 year old Encarnacion in 2020.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) To change that story he needs to reverse that trendline. It's that simple. If he puts up a 2015-like season, then his value goes back into Encarnacion territory - Encarnacion was still a better hitter in 2016 than Abreu in 2015, but Abreu being younger would get a slight premium. If he puts up a 2016 like season, then he's a $10-$12 million a year player who you probably want to shift to DH. In your analysis of a potential Abreu FA contract vs. that of Encarnacion, I believe you're severely undervaluing the difference in their ages in potential salary. Abreu is 30, Encarnacion turns 34 tomorrow. That alone is a huge factor.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) Disagree. I think he would be pretty close to EE. Especially given his age

Only problem I have with this is that now I'll have to watch his annoying method of throwing the ball back to the pitcher.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) Not a chance in hell. He'd get you a B prospect (eg Basabe) and maybe a couple C+ types (eg "A" ball pitchers the Sox maybe have targeted) Jose doesn't have much surplus value and most teams aren't looking for a guy that is probably better as a full time DH assuming you have a halfway decent defensive 1B. His defense isn't "adequate" it's bad, at a fairly easy position to fill. He's projected for about 2.1 WAR by STEAMER and a wRC+ of 119. That's good, that's a solid starter, but the projections reflect his bad 1st half just as much as his hot August and they think overall has trending the wrong way. From the eye test he still has the massive pitch recognition flaws he did his rookie year, except now there's a book on him and nobody will challenge him middle in so he relies more on hitting mistakes. I like Jose, he's a class act, but as a trade asset he's middling. It might be better to hold onto him and see if he gets hot and is worth more in July. I do think his defense is poor and he profiles a DH. But, in my opinion, there is a value that the big time DHs have that no stat can prove- their presence in the middle of the order gives other batters better pitches to hit, as staffs would rather work around the big hitter and attack the worse ones. That in itself has value. Also, WAR is a stat that really dislikes the power-hitting first basemen/DH due to the lack of defensive value. Many execs know that players like Abreu are more valuable than their WAR suggests due to their ability to drive in runs and hit the ball.

He is criminally underrated/undervalued on this site. He could definitely get a top-50 guy, plus one other top-150 guy.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 08:43 AM) Did the old Q thread set the record here? negative

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) I'm sure a lot of you guys are more familiar with NYY prospects than I am. but I look at the minor league stats of their top guys, and the stats don't jump out at me, other than Rutherford. Yes, I know stats are not everything, but still, someone indulge me and tell me what is so hot about Torres and Andujar. The NYY prospects are overrated, aside from the guys they received via trade (Frazier, Torres, Tate) and Rutherford. Torres' stats aren't as great because he's so young for the league he plays in. I wouldn't put much stock into his.

What is even happening? So many conflicting reports

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SE...200708170.shtml

QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Dec 24, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) Anyone know if this thread is the one with the all time most pages and replies ever? Was just curious what the all time winners are and their lengths as far as pages and replies? The Cespedes thread last year was way longer

I'm in the whole "too much pitching" camp now. I trusted Hahn to even it out with this trade but I guess he's trying to bring about the same problem we've had in the past few years. "You can always trade the pitching for hitters!" That's what we should be doing right now.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:07 PM) The Sox have 3 other prominent players to trade and you don't hear a thing about them. I have been surprised by the lack of Frazier rumors.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) Wow I'm shocked you view Meadows that poorly. For me it's Bregman/Meadows/Torres/Bellinger/Rodgers in that order. Why so down on Rodgers?

I think I'm alone on this, but outside of Frazier/Torres/guys they acquired via trade, I'm really not big on the NYY prospects.

Happy Christmas Eve to all!

QUOTE (Dizzy Sox @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) On the right team Shuck could have filled a nice role as a 5th of/defensive replacement/lefty bat off the bench/speedy pinch runner. The fact that he received almost a full season worth of PAs over his tenure with the Sox tells you all you need to know about the state of the team during that period. Yeah, that their CF was injured.

Scott MerkinVerified account ‏@scottmerkin White Sox agree to terms on a one-year, $10.825-million contract with first baseman Jose Abreu, avoiding arbitration

Not bad if we're trying to tank for Beer.