Jose Abreu

Here's the article that shot this down: http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rang...h-jose-quintana

Robertson and Frazier to TOR for Reid-Foley, Alford, and Harold Ramirez

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 03:01 PM) Man, I know its all we got right now but how are you guys still interested with offering up hypothetical's for Q? Havent we already ran through about all the possibilities like 1000 times through, if not more, for each possibility multiple times? This. I've been done with all the Q rumors since mid-December. I feel like every possible trade has been proposed.

Anyone who treats Sports Mockery as a legit source should know that they've cited several posters in here, including myself, as a source. They basically just type whatever they want and say they have sources and some people actually believe it.

In 93 games as a PH/spot IF starter for the Texas Rangers- .265 BA/.287 OBP/13 HR/37 RBI

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 04:55 PM) .304/.375/.530 24 HR's, 78 RBI's, 13 SB's, 4.8 WAR *in AAA

FWIW, he deleted the tweet and apologized.

.277/.307/.401 in 95 games.

.254/12/58 in 130 games. 6 stolen bases on 17 attempts (not far off from his career SB%).

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) Updated for accuracy. Sizemore really did PEDs? Didn't know that

.313/30/86 (RBIs down cause rest of lineup is trash and won't be on base as much)

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) Saw it for a 2nd time, actually liked it even more. You come in with a pre built attachment to the characters, and now that you know their fate, it makes it more emotional, at least for me. Also, RIP Leia. I also enjoyed it more the second time

QUOTE (midway @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) So what's this tweet about from Peter Gammons: Absolutely sickened by the Whitesox mini camp.....what the hell is he talking about? I tweeted back asking what was wrong and the crotched old fart hasn't answered back yet. You fell for a fake account is what happened.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) The Basabe of today would have been the White Sox top prospect a year ago. Tim Anderson?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 10:50 PM) For those who aren't familiar, Cabrera has had some off the field issues: March 2012 — Arrested for domestic violence against his wife. She said at the time that he hit her in the face and had slammed her head against a wall. He said that she had been hitting him and throwing glass kitchenware at him, causing him to act in his own defense (I don't think he conceded the head-slamming or striking her face). He said that scratches on his hand were from her lashing out at him. I did not see anything about physical harm to the wife. June 2012 — Cabrera shows up in court after rejecting plea deals, wanting to clear his name. Prosecution drops the charges without explanation. February 2013 — Biogenesis docs are leaked, Everth Cabrera's name is included among the clients. August 2013 — Cabrera receives 50-game suspension due to Biogenesis leaks, pretty much owns up to it all in tearful press conference. September 2014 — Cabrera is arrested for DUI (marijuana) while on the DL. Charges were ultimately not brought for DUI, but for resisting arrest and marijuana possession. September 2015 —After a miserable year in MLB (Orioles) and AAA (Giants), Cabrera is not called up to SF when rosters expanded. He was released after telling the AAA squad he was uninterested in playing for them in their last handful of games, expressing uncertainty about what the purpose of playing was if he wasn't getting called up to the big leagues. 2016 — ???, reports that he was playing in his native Nicaragua. Thanks for the summary. I was only aware of the steroid suspension so this was news to me.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 11:47 AM) Jason Coats has the same amount of extremities as Mike Trout so he deserves a shot! Come on people, Coats literally has no discernible skill set that makes you believe he will succeed in the majors. It's like people don't understand what a AAAA player is. Read the first sentence of my post again; and no, my point was that you don't give up on a player after 58 plate appearances.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) If he passes through waivers, he will get a chance to make a name for himself with the White Sox. They are going to be very bad for at least 2 years and that could easily be 3 years. If Coats keeps raking in AAA, they'll make room and give him another shot in the majors. I don't expect Coats to be anything special. That said, I do find it annoying that his "shot" in the Majors was 58 plate appearances, and many on this board think that's enough to make a decision on him. Didn't Bregman begin his MLB career 0-34? And, my favorite example: Mike Trout's first 60 career PAs: .185/.250/.352 Jason Coats' first 58 career PAs: .200/.298/.340

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) Davidson or Asche could very well be at third or DH. This is the type of guy you pick up and plug in and see if he can play. Hopefully he or Davidson can get everyday at bats at 3B or LF (Asche). Where would Delmonico play? I can see Delmonico at 3B and Asche in LF if Frazier is traded, but if he isn't, there's a glut.

To play in AAA? Can't see him at 3B there due to Davidson/Delmonico

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) And I believe you're severely undervaluing the fact that Encarnacion at age 33 outperformed Age 29 Abreu. Sure, but as a GM, I'd feel more comfortable paying less money to a 33 year old Abreu than a 37 year old Encarnacion in 2020.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) To change that story he needs to reverse that trendline. It's that simple. If he puts up a 2015-like season, then his value goes back into Encarnacion territory - Encarnacion was still a better hitter in 2016 than Abreu in 2015, but Abreu being younger would get a slight premium. If he puts up a 2016 like season, then he's a $10-$12 million a year player who you probably want to shift to DH. In your analysis of a potential Abreu FA contract vs. that of Encarnacion, I believe you're severely undervaluing the difference in their ages in potential salary. Abreu is 30, Encarnacion turns 34 tomorrow. That alone is a huge factor.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) Disagree. I think he would be pretty close to EE. Especially given his age

Only problem I have with this is that now I'll have to watch his annoying method of throwing the ball back to the pitcher.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) Not a chance in hell. He'd get you a B prospect (eg Basabe) and maybe a couple C+ types (eg "A" ball pitchers the Sox maybe have targeted) Jose doesn't have much surplus value and most teams aren't looking for a guy that is probably better as a full time DH assuming you have a halfway decent defensive 1B. His defense isn't "adequate" it's bad, at a fairly easy position to fill. He's projected for about 2.1 WAR by STEAMER and a wRC+ of 119. That's good, that's a solid starter, but the projections reflect his bad 1st half just as much as his hot August and they think overall has trending the wrong way. From the eye test he still has the massive pitch recognition flaws he did his rookie year, except now there's a book on him and nobody will challenge him middle in so he relies more on hitting mistakes. I like Jose, he's a class act, but as a trade asset he's middling. It might be better to hold onto him and see if he gets hot and is worth more in July. I do think his defense is poor and he profiles a DH. But, in my opinion, there is a value that the big time DHs have that no stat can prove- their presence in the middle of the order gives other batters better pitches to hit, as staffs would rather work around the big hitter and attack the worse ones. That in itself has value. Also, WAR is a stat that really dislikes the power-hitting first basemen/DH due to the lack of defensive value. Many execs know that players like Abreu are more valuable than their WAR suggests due to their ability to drive in runs and hit the ball.

He is criminally underrated/undervalued on this site. He could definitely get a top-50 guy, plus one other top-150 guy.