Jose Abreu

Carlos Gonzalez with another HR, his 24th since July 1. If he played at that rate since the season started, he would easily break the true single-season HR record, held by Roger Maris. He would also tie or edge out Barry Bonds' asterisked record.

Sitting here in my physics class; laughed out loud when I read "grand slam" causing many to look at me

QUOTE (tpezz27 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) Out of the 86 qualified pitchers who have thrown enough innings, Quintana is 61st in whip, and 85th out of 86 in hits allowed. Only Samardzija has allowed more hits then him....I just don't see him being anywhere near "ace" material, aces just don't get hit that hard. And comparing his value to Sale's is laughable. Quintana has an extremely unlucky BABIP against and is surrendering weaker contract than ever. His hits allowed stat is an anomaly.

I miss our first inning runs phase.

With Johnson joining the rotation, this now looks very, very unlikely.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 08:54 AM) Saladino HR since 2012 (so 2013-2015) in the minors: 18 in 1049 PA (for a 550 PA full MiLB season that is about 9.5 per season) Sanchez HR since 2012 (so 2013-2015) in the minors: 9 HR in 1110 PA (4.4 per season) No idea where you got your 15-13 numbers. Check Baseball Reference. Maybe you included some winter league numbers or something? That's also ignoring that Saladino hit 16 HR in one year in 2011 and another 4 in 2012, during which time Sanchez hit 2 total. Saladino isn't a power hitter either, but he has substantially more than Sanchez. I'd say Sanchez has a 20 or maybe 30 grade power tool in-game, with Saladino more around 40. First, we were discussing shortstop, not second base. Second, whether a position is typically for power hitters or not isn't relevant. More power is more value for a hitter. My bad about the 2B/SS thing, I thought you were talking about 2B since Sanchez is currently playing there. As for the home runs, I guess I was including winter league. However I still don't know how you got 18 homers for Saladino in the minors in that span.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) and Ian Kinsler, Robinson Cano, Wilmer Flores, Neil Walker, Brandon Phillips, Dan Uggla, Logan Forsythe, etc. Right, because those guys have hit so many home runs lately!

And like I've said, second base isn't a power hitting position. The only power-hitting second baseman is Dozier.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 08:25 AM) That is patently false. First, both players had very good and pretty bad years. Saladino was putting up very nice numbers his first two years in the minors while playing a premium position. He regressed hard in 2012 and 2013. Then in 2014 the guy big numbers in his first trip to AAA at a fairly age-appropriate level, before he had TJ surgery. In 2015 he was still recovering from it, but once he got going in Charlotte, he was putting up those very good numbers again (look at the last month before he was called up). Basically, leaving out injury recovery, he had two (strange) bad years in AA mid-minors-career, sandwiched by very good numbers his first two seasons and his last semi-full season in the minors. Sanchez was younger at each level (by a year or two), but also spent a lot more years in the minors. His first trip to AAA was awful on the offensive end, but he was very young. Rebounded in 2014 to be pretty good on that side. Then this year he mastered that level. This isn't even mentioning that while Sanchez has at times hit for high averages in the minors (though not every year either), he's never hit for any power, where Saladino has. I don't think Saladino is an average major league starting shortstop in the overall value sense - I think he'd be lower tier but playable maybe. Sanchez is similar, with better hands and feet but a weaker arm on D, maybe a higher average* but far less power on offense. Both have decent but not spectacular speed. * = I have serious concerns about his bat speed, and I think they will soon start pounding him with fastballs he can't catch up to. Saladino has out-homered Sanchez 15-13 in the minors since the start of the 2012 season. I didn't know that was such a huge difference. That being said, I know Saladino had a good 2014, and his 2015 minor league stats are a little worse than they should be due to the TJ surgery. But he still didn't do very well in the minors hitting-wise before that, with the exception of one season at Kannapolis. I do love his approach at the plate, but I don't think he'll hit over .250 in a Major League season.

The difference is Saladino has never been a very good hitter at any level, while Sanchez has hit for high averages in the minors. I do think Saladino will improve slightly with the bat, but not as much as you all seem to expect.

I'm assuming he meant Padres. But if he meant Pirates... no, just no.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 10:21 PM) I feel the same way about sanchez. I still think micah will be the better offense of the 2 He will be. But Sanchez will be at least capable offensively while providing elite defense.

same old sox

We can never hit this guy. It's like Bruce Chen and Jeremy Guthrie combined.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) Is one of those 2 going to be Greinke? I don't really see them shelling out that much for a guy who will be 32 next season. Yeah, but it's the Dodgers. They can spend whatever they want

That being said, Swihart is not (yet) a "good MLB player", nor is Vazquez or Middlebrooks. You could make arguments for the others, though.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 08:20 PM) You are totally lost in this discussion. We are not talking about minor league players. We are talking about players--Betts-Swihart-Bradley that all have played in the majors this season. Bradley has 200 games, Betts 150+ over two seasons and Swihart is a rookie who will play 75 this year. .Johnson and Montas are September call-ups. I'm not the one who's lost. If you follow the chain of replies between me and SoxPride18, you'd know that this is the comment in which he referred to the players as good MLB players:

QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 08:09 PM) Are we ever going to re-sign Kruger? I sure hope so. He said he's willing to take a pay cut to stay here... unlike some people *cough* Saad

Very sorry to hear this. Wish I could help. Best of luck to you.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) I'm saying Bogaerts, Betts, Reddick and Iglesias productive players. They have some success at the MLB level. I already said that Bogaerts and Iglesias are productive. With Betts, I say give it another year and see if he's still playing at or near this level. With Reddick, I agree, although I wasn't talking about him. It seemed as if you were referring to Swihart, Vazquez, etc.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) Yeah, none of those guys are overrated besides Middlebrooks. They are all average to good MLB players that I wouldn't mind having on the Sox. That's ridiculous. How can you call someone an average to good MLB player when he either A. Hasn't played in MLB, or B. Has played one MLB season or less? By your logic, Erik Johnson and Frank Montas are decent MLB players.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) What's wrong with Betts? He's put up 3.4 fWAR and 4.1 bWAR this year, has a .771 OPS at the age of 22, is a solid defender and rates very well on the basepaths. Betts has been good. Let's see if he can keep it up next year. QUOTE (SCCWS @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) Josh Reddick is better than Avi. Mookie Betts hit .275 has 13 Hr and 20 stolen bases in 100 games this year while playing CF. Bradley was a AAA allstar this year and has hit .330 since he was called up. Again, you have to trade at the right time before a guy explodes. Now Iglesias and Bogaerts are probably untouchable for us unless it is a "Sale". Bradley is also close to untouchable now w Dombrowski. I think the Boston ship has sailed for Hahn. hopefully he doesn't want Ramirez. I never said Josh Reddick was worse than Avi. And I don't care who was a minor league all-star. It's not like every AAA all-star ends up being a solid MLB player.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:42 AM) A writer for a small website speculated that the Bulls should trade for Rudy Gay. That led to all these Facebook/Twitter posts reading "BREAKING: Bulls pursuing trade for Rudy Gay." My point is, if you see anything like that, don't believe it; it's all speculation. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 02:47 PM) NO idea if this is legit or not, but rumor is a deal of Gibson/Dougie for Gay and draft picks is possible. http://www.bullstimes.com/bulls-trade-rumo...cking-up-steam/ *rolls eyes*

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) I don't think Boston's system is overrated. In the last few years they have promoted Bogaerts and Iglesias, two young and very talented shortstops. They have also produced Reddick, Betts and now Bradley as outfielders. They also have produced 2 solid young catchers in Swihart and Vazquez. I was not a Middlebrooks fan but they were able to trade him and they also have Brock Holt who is a super sub in the mold of Zobrist. That is quite a haul in a few years. Their problem has been getting young pitchers and that may change. They have 4 or 5 either in Boston or will be in SP. Come on... you can't call these guys "solid" and whatnot when they've barely played. I'll give you Iglesias, Holt, and probably Bogaerts. The rest are overrated.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) That Bears secondary could be the worst in the NFL. If they don't put pressure on a QB, they are going to have some ugly games. I agree. Mundy's gone, Jennings is gone... we have to rely on Fuller and Rolle to carry the secondary. I don't know if I like that.