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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) he hasnt been suspended or banned, he can return any time he chooses He will be back. He is heading down to Boca for the GM meetings this week.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 12:40 AM) Beckham - that's not even contingency plan 1004. Cabrera's a lousy defender. Rather Saladino The FA market for SS sucks. yes someone will sign Alexei for 6-7 mill. The lesson, really, is that we should have traded him last winter. No, the FO thought they were going to contend for a playoff spot back then. Hell, they thought they were still contending at the July trade deadline.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:26 AM) For some perspective from a guy in the industry, Keith Law just posted his top 50 free agents list and Alexei came in at #47. He said that it was smart the Sox declined his option, and it could create a buy-low opportunity for another club and said he would give him a one year deal at 3-4 million. FWIW I agree that it was smart to decline. But some team that has their sights set on the playoffs may take a run at him w 6-8 mil if they feel he could fill a hole they have at a key position.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) I disagree very strongly. Cameron is just an awkward dude who is accustomed to people calling his opinions s***. I used to think he was smug, but I've read/listened to a TON of his s*** over the years, and I think it's more of an unintentional lack of grace. Also -- in Cameron's defense (I know, I know, I sound like a fanboi), his sel-fappointed task was to force himself to choose a destination for every significant free agent. He wasn;t claiming that this is what the Sox SHOULD do, rather matching up prices and players with perceived needs and front office tendencies. Cameron actually is FRIMLY in the camp that the Sox should blow it up and trade everyone. I don't agree with that opinion, but this article clearly doesn't reflect his RECOMMENDATIONS, instead they reflect his GUESSES. It is that time of year where every baseball pundit writes junk articles to justify their pay. Most of the opinions( little or no research/sources are involved) are less accurate than the TV weatherman's forecasts.

QUOTE (shakes @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) No. None of this is true. You didn't read his whole post. Believe it or not . You are in the "not" group w a sh..load of people.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 09:39 AM) anyway here's my suggestion, which is sure to be met with applause! (Or not). Trade Eaton and Melky to the Padres for Norris, Solarte, Ross and a prospect. Trade Q to Redsox for Bradley JR, Chtistian Vasquez and prospects. 2 holes plugged (albeit no better than plugged) and a killer OF defense with 2 guys who can cover ground and Avi's arm. Need to add a power bat, although I don't know what to do about Laroche. Could eve re-sign Alexei at half price now that the other 2 clowns are gone. Saladino the utility guy. When you have multiple holes to fill, why would you trade for 2 catchers???

QUOTE (spiderman @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 07:12 PM) Quintana is the wildcard, but it's a highly safe assumption that Chris Sale, Carlos Rodon and John Danks will be in the rotation. Erik Johnson enters camp (or the off-season) as the favorite to fill out the rotation assuming no trades. Quintana could be seen as the quickest way to filling 2 holes on offense; he has been a #2-#3 type of quality starter now for about 3 seasons, and has a team friendly contract for another 3-4 seasons. This should result, if traded, in 2 high end prospects coming back, and we know the White Sox are looking for MLB ready type of talent. With holes at C, 3B, and potential area's of concern at SS, 2B,and DH (although it's fair to assume that La Roche, Sanchez and probably Ramirez enter next year as significant contributors). They shouldn't limit any trade return to specific positions outside of maybe 1B, so they could add 2 higher end prospects this way. They could also keep Quintana and move Johnson; obviously the return will pale in return, but they could get a usable player in return while ensuring the rotation (top end) stays a strength. In either case, move a starting pitcher is the best bet for young offensive talent, and it's hard to expect that the White Sox will be major players again in free agency to fill these holes. I agree with your thinking only I think Q is better than a 2-3 starter. I think he is closer to a 1-2 and w his contract a top 15 in all of baseball. I think he should bring back 2 MLB ready players and a high rated prospect.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 07:26 AM) Quintana/Adams for....the steal deal of the century (love those 4-6 for 1-2 plans they come up with) mlbtraderumors Cubs get a solid pitcher in quintana and a potential stud in spencer who has a ways to go before making his MLB debut seeing as he’s only like 19 years old (at LEAST 2 years away…. more likely 3-4). Sox get the young position prospects they DESPERATELY need. They get a better SS in Castro over having to keep worse Alexei Ramirez…. regardless what Sox fans say. Castro’s down year this year is not too far off a typical Ramirez year. They also get a HR masher in Vogelbach who has superb plate discipline to play 1B/DH with Abreu. They get a solid hitting catching prospect in Zagunis. They get a gold glove in waiting in Almora who scouts say could hit about .280 or better and develop into a 20 HR hitter…… especially playing in US Cellular. And I’ll throw in pierce johnson as a toss in. Projects to be a 3-4 starter if he pans out. Cough up 1 ML pitcher and a pitching prospect for 4 players who could address almost all the Sox weaknesses on offense within 2 years. It at least gives you positional prospect hope. Looked at the top position prospects the Sox have listed on their website……. it’s pretty ugly. This hypothetical trade is more than fair imo. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/offs...hite-sox-6.html Not good enough. Q is a top 15 pitcher in baseball. If you trade him, which I think they should, you need to get back 2 MLB ready players + prospect(s). At least one of the MLB ready players needs to play a premier position--C-SS-CF or be a top 20 player in baseball.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 1, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) But, but, they would be a .500 club! I absolutely agree. If the Sox were and 85+ win team in '15, Cespedes would make much more sense but the Sox need much more than another outfielder. 3B and C are the biggest needs FWIW---Olney said today that Cespedes prolonged hitting slump since September and his miscues in the outfield is costing him major FA dollars.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 31, 2015 -> 09:33 AM) You saw Micah play in Charlotte? Disappointing to hear his defense wasn't better in your eyes. Twice on the road. His speed gives him range but he still makes errors. For 2 years in AAA he has put up .970 FP

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 08:58 PM) Considering the fact that it was his 1st season and he was hitting reasonably well when sent down...and then raked in AAA. I don't see how Micah's value is low by any means. A guy with an elite speed tool who has shown the ability to hit at every level is an asset. Obviously I'm not saying he's an elite prospect or trade chip by any means, but I think he's a pretty darn good 2nd piece in a deal. Personally, I don't really want to trade Micah unless it gets us an impact bat. Frankie Montas is a top 60 prospect in all of baseball as a starting pitcher with a plus fastball. That's a lot of value, and a Montas + Micah + 1 of our B level prospects is a good package in my opinion that would at least be a very good start to the conversation for a guy like Frazier imo. But of course no where near enough to get a guy like Arenado. Our B level prospects that I could see being traded that I think have some varying degrees of value: Jacob May, Tyler Danish, Chris Beck, Jacob Peters, Jordan Guerrero I also think there are teams that would have no problem taking on Avi. I've seen people talk about him like he's more or less worthless. He's still only 24, he's far from a lost cause and I'm sure there are gm's/scouts that still drool over his potential. I'm sure our track record for developing hitters is no secret and someone would take a shot at "fixing" him. You don't want to trade Micah but where are you going to play him???. He did "rake" when he was sent down but he went down because of his defense. His defense at Charlotte was not any better which is 2 seasons at AAA he has struggled defensively.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 07:19 PM) Hope it works out. Key question is, is he 100%? Good move by the Sox taking a chance on him. But I assume a bunch of teams passed on him dropping him down to Sox.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 07:56 AM) I don't see us trading Quintana, because that creates a hole in the rotation that will be difficult to fill. A 1-2-3 of Sale, Rodon, & Quintana is critical if we want to compete in 2016/2017. I could see us trading Erik Johnson in a package for a young position player and then going out and signing a veteran free agent like Latos or Fister to fill the #4 spot. Fulmer potentially being a mid-season call-up gives us the flexibility to go with a couple of veterans in the back of the rotation and trade some minor league pitching for offense. I do see them trading Q because they need to acquire a couple of impact young players and I don't think trading Johnson and "some minor league pitching" gets that. If they trade Q they also have to get back a 4-5 type starter along w 2 MLB ready position players. If not, you don't trade him. As far as starting pitching goes, The Sox have to go into the spring with 6 starters ( last year Johnson was #6) . Too many pitching injuries occur these days. I see Sale-Rodon-Johnson Danks-FA veteran and Fulmer or Montas or trade acquistion as #6.

FWIW---According to their minor league career stats, based on fielding % and range factor, Eaton is higher rated defensively than Thompson

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) I'm curious to see what Dom does because he'll be aggressive and I wonder if he comes for Q or Sale and goes all out. I hope he goes for Q but my gut says he goes after Price ( who he already went after in Detroit), Greinke or Zimmerman.

You do not want to trade w Cubs. They had a great season and are just looking to upgrade their pitching. Hahn needs to trade with a team that is more desperate to recover from a disappointing season. Boston, Detroit, Baltimore, A's, Mariners, Braves, Reds, Rockies etc. We are desperate and need to trade w another desperate team.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 04:54 AM) Why temper it ? Those are normal baseball stat months . 1 month way over .252, 1 month way under it and one month right about at it. He is the starter . He is way down on the list of Sox problems. You temper it because we did not include the preceding 2 months of .151 and .157. That means 3 months way under it. The point was hitting .252 in 2nd half was really one hot month. But I agree w so many bigger problems, 2nd base can be a 2017 problem to fix if Sanchez has another poor year at the plate.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 05:38 PM) I was very impressed by Carlos Sanchez last season. He played fantastic defense, and he hit .252 after the All-Star break after a .184 start. He's still only 23, and his hitting has always been decent in the minors, so I think he may improve. Even if he doesn't, I think his defense is good enough for him to be a starter. Other posters may not agree, though. So, where do you think Sanchez should be at the start of the 2016 season? I would temper your .252 after AS break with he hit .323 in July-.247 in August and .171 in Sept. As the roster is now, he is the incumbent at 2nd but really for his glove. Him being in the lineup means you need offense from SS and 3B to offset. Now if he can play SS w the same defensive skill. that makes him much more valuable.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 24, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) Don't take this the wrong way, but you seem to be missing out on the big picture here. You constantly scream out "hero worshipping" at anyone who wants to add veteran talent to the team, but completely ignore that we have several incredibly valuable assets that lose value every season we don't compete. Trading for prospects pushes back our timeline further and is counter-productive given our core. Therefore, either you add veteran pieces and try to win now or trade away all these pieces and do a complete rebuild. "Selling high on Eaton", which I've seen you propose in multiple threads, is pretty much the worst type of move we could make unless comes with selling high on Sale, Quintana, & Abreu. I would actually love to here you spell out a long-term plan on getting us back to the post-season rather than shooting down every idea that doesn't involve acquiring or giving playing time to a young player. You seem to be limiting the choices to prospects or veterans. There are also MLB ready young players. I would rather see the Sox acquire a young MLB ready player over a prospect or veteran. I agree Eaton is one asset we need to hold on to. He is a young player who is productive. Find a few more like him instead of prospects who are a few years away or veterans who may be on the decline.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Oct 21, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) Get them away from Robin and its bound to happen. I actually wouldn't mind signing Shark to an extension if we were smart enough to s***can Ventura in the offseason. So using your rationale, Chris Sale does damn good around Robin.........................

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 20, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) I mean, there's no question that 2015 was a terrible year, but that's because outcomes were MUCH worse than anyone expected. If LaRoche puts up anything even close to a career average year, for example, then his one-year, $12m deal for 2016 looks shrewd and low-risk. I'm just trying to illustrate the difference between the ad-hoc and the actual state in which decisions were made (and must be made going forward) Put another way: every time we make an acquisition, there are a range of expected possible outcomes assigned to the player. We improbably saw EVERY 2015 acquisition turn out near the worst possible outcome, and yet we aren't buried. Yes, things obviously look worse than before, but this was almost literally the WORST CASE SCENARIO. And that scenario is one where there's no one making more than $13m at a time, and only one of those guys is even still around after 2017. But again, it would have been better to have added a young player or two as opposed to 3 or 4 veterans. We are one year later talking about the same holes we did last year- 3b-SS-DH-C and possibly even 2B. Instead we rented all older players who ultimately had bad years. It is understandable that it happened at DH since you tend to add a 30+ year old to that spot. But Beckham, Boni, Melky were all stop gap measures. It is too bad they did not get at least one good prospect in place of one of them.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 03:45 PM) Aha, so it's Maddon's "making changes with his lineup" that causes them to succeed. Having the game's #1 prospect (Bryant) and 3 more of the top 15 or so position prospects isn't particularly relevant. Maddon would be having the same success with Cubs prospects like Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters. That's how good Maddon's lineup changes are. No I said winning with 4 rookies in your starting lineup is harder than having veteran players. As far as making changes to the lineup, Maddon is managing the same way he did in Tampa. They also had different starting lineups to match up against opponents. In Tampa, Maddon was very big on lefty/righty match-ups some of which was caused by the nature of the roster he had. I also said this was my first look at the Cubs this season but having seen Maddon for many years here is Tampa , his managing style has not changed. Obviously the Cubs have highly rated prospects now playing for them. That does not guarantee success. I think we have one of the best 1-3 combination of starters in baseball. That does not mean we will succeed.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) Did you think we needed to see more Emilio Bonifacio? I am not sure. The guy was a .259 career batter who only hit .167 here in limited appearances. If he was washed up then Hahn screwed up by signing him.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 17, 2015 -> 01:39 PM) Trayce, a utility outfielder? He showed that he can play a plus CF with a bat that is playable. He is more than a utility outfielder, no doubt. There is doubt. He was on fire ( more against lefties than righties) when he was recalled but he only hit .233 in his last 70+ abs. That may be a sign that pitchers found a weakness and started to exploit it. Hopefully he arrives in spring training and shows he is a starter but down the stretch he looked more like a platoon player.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 09:44 PM) I know this board has decided that managers really don't matter at all. And I know a couple posters think I post about the Cubs too much. But I have a question for Robin lovers. ... Do you think if he managed the Cubs this year they'd have been lucky to be .500? I think so. Why? The lack of urgency of his teams. It's always early in Robin-land and White Sox land. There's always the chance the team will get red hot and steal a WC berth. I truly think he couldn't have gotten this young Cub team much above .500 if even above .500. Conversely do you think Maddon could have gotten us a WC? I happen to say yes. We have a GREAT pitching staff and a few good hitters. Call me a moron but I think we have a mediocre to lousy manager and the Cubs unfortunately have a good one as do the Indians. BRING BACK GARDY baby. South SIDE Gardy. Greg: I think t a good manager can take a good team to the playoffs. A poor manager will keep a good team from the playoffs. But I don't think a good manager can take a bad team to the playoffs. I doubt either Maddon or Francona takes this WS team to the playoffs. Not enough talent offensively and a lot of weak defensive players.