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QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 06:28 PM) Callis talking about a package from Boston of JBJ, Moncada or Benintendi, Devers and Kopech. I would say he is a lousy source. There is no way Boston would trade JBJ and Benintendi in any trade. That would leave them with 2 starting outfield vacancies. These people are just throwing stuff out and hoping something sticks.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) I don't expect each trade to go perfectly, which is why making more trades hedges you risk. Let's say hypothetically Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones can all land four prospects. Let's assume on average 50% of prospects acquired via trade bust. Trade all four guys and you have a decent chance of ending up with 8 productive players across the deals. But only trade one guy and you could realistically end up with anything from four hits to four misses. The more trades we make, the less randomness comes into play. So again, who would you trade is this rebuild was up to you? IMO, you pretty much have to move three of Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones. Those are our big four trade chips and the only ones who will land elite prospects. If you don't move enough of them, then all we're doing is a half-ass rebuild and I'm not sure we get better in the long-run. As for Eaton specifically, I'm not sure you'll get fair value for him. And quite frankly, I'm not sure you need it. Even if the rebuild goes well, you're talking about 2 or 3 seasons before we are competitive. So if we hold onto Eaton, we're throwing away two or three years of his surplus value. There is a point in negotiations where maybe you don't quite get fair value, but that you get enough in return that you still feel it's the better move long-term. And let's not ignore the fact that Eaton is at peak value right now, so there is a bit more incentive in moving him now. I understand your theory but then maybe the rebuilding w prospects doesn't work. If you are going in expecting 50% of prospects to fail, then it makes a lot more sense trading for young established players. So we are better off w a Jackie Bradley Jr than a Moncad or Benintendi because Bradley is a proven major leaguer. Instead of Hahn trading 3 for 12 prospects he is better off getting 2 established players for each one. 6 established young players would be much better than 12 prospects

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) Interesting. If we can trade the likes of Lawrie, Frazier, Robertson, and Melky and get a few decent prospects back, then trade the big guns like Sale, Q, Eaton and Abreu we can be in for business. Lawrie and Robertson 's value may be down as both are coming off down seasons as well as surgery. Doubt either goes until next July.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) I don't think he is either. My preference is Swihart in all honesty and he might be the Sox preference as well. Who knows. Vazquez's defense alone forced the Red Sox to send Swihart back to AAA to learn LF last spring. Vazquez has shown the ability to throw as a catcher and handle pitchers. But he can't hit. Swihart can hit but really struggled catching. My guess is Boston will unload Swihart as part of a trade for a reliever now that LF is porbably no longer an option as well.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 09:53 AM) I'm curious as to which player the Sox must have of the bunch. Devers is a must and so is Kopech. Devers gives us a legit power 3B and Kopech would give us another young top arm to go with Rodon, Fulmer, Burdi and Hansen. I know we wanted Benintendi last draft. Just wonering, why is Kopech a must. He has already been suspended 50 day for taking an illegal substance and fractured his hand in a fight in the dugout w a teammate.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 07:49 AM) http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...op-priority-red Here is the full article: FWIW-Maybe Dombrowski is playing poker w Hahn but this has been the consensus for most of the New England media as well. ww.providencejournal.com/sports/20161107/year-after-setting-market-red-sox-plan-to-be-more-reactive-this-offseason

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) Coop will fix him. He seems to be sort of like Donnie Veal. If they can figure a way to get him some control, he could be really good. If not, he is minor league fodder. More options next spring the better we are

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) Yeah, that was one of the best posts on this topic. I feel like I've heard circular arguments otherwise since last August, when many expressed it was best to wait til the offseason rather than try and force a deal at the trade deadline. Now it seems as though we're already hearing arguments for why we can wait til the trade deadline again if we want. I don't think ANYONE here is suggesting we MUST move Chris Sale and others at this point, but if the reason we're not moving him and others is because we're trying to "time the market," or we think we can make incremental improvements if we only wait a little longer, I believe that line of thinking and strategy is just wrong. It isn't just about maximizing the return on one or two players; it's about moving the entire organization in an entirely different, more productive direction than the one we've been trying for the last decade. While these first few trades are very critical to our future, this is an outstanding environment with which to make this transition. So let's do it. There is also an in-between approach. Hahn could go into the winter meetings offering both Sale and Q and taking the best offer if either fills his wish list. Keep the other which I would assume would be Sale since I don't see a team trading 4 or 5 top prospects. They can also try and trade Frazier or Melky as well. Then the front office will get a better feel for what they have in spring training and first half of next season. Then next July try again to trade either Sale or Q for another prospect package with the intent of filling some holes the winter didn't fill. That also gives the staff a chance this winter to work with 3 -5 new prospects as opposed to 7-9. So you are stretching a full rebuild to this winter, next July and finish off next winter.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) I think if there is a team most motivated to overpay for Sale, it should be the Dodgers. Assuming Kershaw is 100% next season, he and Sale pretty much dominate the NL, and think of those 2 in the playoffs. Pretty much takes left handed hitters out of the equation. For the Cubs that is Rizzo and Schwarber. And they can restock their farm system by signing a million international guys. Rizzo is a +.300 hitter against them is his career albeit 20 ABs. Schwarber has never faced either

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Nov 6, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) Please God, just get it through their thick heads that it is time to rebuild and get some good players with the right moves. Trade the skinny headcase and get a kings ransom for him and make nobody untouchable. Make some real progress instead of staying stuck in neutral. If the skinny is a headcase, he won't bring back a king's ransom. Maybe Q will bring a queen's ransom instead.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 5, 2016 -> 09:43 PM) Theoretically, it can be done. But ya have to trade Q to Boston for Benintendi, Kopech and Devers. Then ya have to spend real money and hope to hell these young pitchers are ready (Fulmer, Burdi) I just want to rebuild because that's best. I saw today we're interested in Bautista and Encarnacion. Also need to find a catcher. Rotation Sale Rodon Shields Fulmer Gonzalez or try and get another starter in free agency/trade (Also put Rodriguez here if ya swapped he and Kopech) Pen-The pen is what we need to spend big on and try to upgrade well. Burdi Petricka Putnam LHP Jones Holland? On rehab deal if possible but he's got plenty of suitors. Robertson-Could package him to Boston and sign Chapman to a big dea. Also look at Jansen. DH-Bautista/Encarnacion 1B-Abreu 2B-Lawrie 3B-Frazier SS-Anderson LF-Melky CF-Benintendi RF-Eaton 1. Eaton-RF 2. Benintendi-CF 3. Abreu-1B 4. Bautista/Encarnacion-DH 5. Frazier-3B 6. Melky-LF 7. Anderson-SS 8. Lawrie-2B 9. Catcher-Free Agency or trade (Castro/Wieters?) Not thrilled entirely with them. Or ya could try and get Vasquez from Boston in a trade. This is nice on paper but a lot to spend for a lighting in a bottle chance type season IMO. This isn't what I want. I want a full rebuild. Or you could trade Sale instead of Q and get a bigger return IF someone would pony up which I think Boston will do. This was just off the top of my head. I don't think Boston will trade Benintendi. But I would doubt Hahn would want Kopech. In the last yearh, he has served a 50 game suspension for taking a PES and he fractured his hand in a fight in the dugout w a teammate. He might make Sale look like an altar boy

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) Could be why he wasn't his usual self last season. Many posters think he could be traded in a rebuild. I doubt that now. He may be more valuable next July than he is now after a mediocre year followed by minor surgery.

When Napoli took a shi* between innings, that is only the 3rd time in World Series history that a player has taken a shi* in a game 7 at home. These stats become boring after a while...................

Joe Buck....................yuck. makes a bad night worse.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) For once, I totally agree. The further the Cubs go, I think the Sox will feel increased pressure to grab immediate attention to try to stop the bleeding. So much so, it might even "force" them into a free agent splash. I agree with your premise that there will be heat on the FO to do something. But a splash in free agency means nothing. Adding the veterans they did over the last few years has not worked. Putting a winning product on the field or showing a total emphasis on a rebuild w youth are more important.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 1, 2016 -> 09:15 PM) The argument isn't "less popular." That won't happen in the first 5-7 years (anyway), but the costs of attending Cubs' games will slowly become more and more like Red Sox and Yankees, where the corporations and "upper crust" fans will start to change the experience of attending games, except for in the bleachers, perhaps... HUH??? Cubs in 2016 had the highest median price for tickets in baseball.

I always like to see a team win the series in front of their home fans. Obviously more stress now for Indian fans but the odds are still very good many of them will get to celebrate in person

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 29, 2016 -> 10:18 PM) I agree that they're more likely to deal Swihart as he's a bit superfluous now...and the White Sox have the need at catcher. With all the focus on relief arms and having already dealt for Kimbrel, they might try to double down and go for the superpen approach with Kopech. Benintendi or Moncada, Devers, Groome, Swihart and Rodriguez is pretty close to fair. Sox get two pitchers, two potential impact position players and fill the catching spot with a still promising young player. Maybe the Red Sox prefer to trade Kopech over Groome, not sure. Groome obviously has more question marks hanging over him, but unlimited potential. Kopech could turn into another Daniel Bard. A couple of thoughts: Swihart was not superfluous, he didn't cut it. The catching job was his last spring and he really struggled defensively before being sent back to AAA to learn left-field. Maybe in a new organization he can start all over again, but he will be 25 and took a year off from catching in 2016. Red Sox biggest prospect weakness is starting pitching . They traded their highest rated for Pomeranz so my guess is Groome is now their #1 since Kopech my end up being a reliever due to his limited pitch selection. I think Rodriguez can be had but not both him and Groome. Moncada was shut down last week with what they called a minor thumb injury. Not sure how that would play out in any trade discussions.

Frank Thomas has been giving Cubs and their fans a lot of love this week. I guess it comes w the job.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 11:31 PM) I don't think Sanchez is the right route to go. He had a ridiculous rookie year here and his value will be so inflated that trading for Sanchez would almost certainly backfire compared to other deals. I seriously doubt the Yankees in the middle of their rebuild( obviously they will spend money) would go after Sale and give up the prospects they just traded for. They will most likely continue the trend and trade Gardner and Ellsbury for more young players.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) If I'm trading with the Yankees and Sanchez is off the table, Sale and Quintana are off the table. He had a great rookie debut. They've had great years. Which is why I don't think Sale ever gets on the table. I do think teams can offer a reasonable package for Q if Hahn wants to deal.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) Feelings? Happy for the old ladies who've rooted for the Cubs forever. There are a lot of 'em. As far as the games, my feelings are what they always are. Can't root for the Cubs to win but if they do, so be it. It's kind of funny when they fail. It's actually very funny. Hope the Sox get their act together. We need a player like Zobrist not Zobrist wannabees like LaRoche and Lawrie and Melky. Eaton might ultimately be the type of grinder who leads us to greatness. I was hoping Q was getting traded to Boston at the deadline and Hahn would get Brock Holt thrown in with some prospects. He had a down year due to some injuries but he is a pretty solid player who plays 5 or 6 positions and a real hard-nosed player.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) Urias, Moncada/Betts/Benitendi and Gary Sanchez became harder gets than a year ago. There are still deals out there, but hard to imagine any of us being elated compared to some of the projected (and probably overly optimistic ones). When the White Sox have had opportunities to make some Cubs 2012-14 moves, all we got was Duke for Tilson. Of course, now we have a huge lack of depth at LH reliever when those guys like Miller are changing the face of the game, being used in a similar fashion to how the Tigers utilized Zumaya in his prime...putting out fires even from the fifth through seventh innings when the heart of the lineup was due. Betts Benintendi and Sanchez are probably off the market now. Urias may be as well. Not sure Moncada is a a harder get and I think he could be traded this offseason by Boston to strengthen their bullpen and add another 4/5 SP.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 01:41 AM) I hate the Cubs, and I hate Joe Ricketss and his spoiled brat son Tom Ricketts. They could win 10 World Series in a row and I won't watch or go to a Cub game. Ricketts ruined the charm of Wrigley Field and the Wrigleyville neighborhood and is turning it into a baseball themed Disneyland. They took half of Sheffield and want to close off streets so they can have a captive audience to profit from. As far as the Sox "blowing it up" that is what the Cub fans want to see happen. It isn't a legit way to build a team any more, because there are too many bad teams vying for the top Draft choices. Therefore, there is no guarantee that a bad team will net a star like kris Bryant in the following year;'s Draft. What Epstein did involved a lot of very fortunate circumstances, some very good judgment ,a virtually unlimited budget, and a whole lot of luck. He is also not operating under a salary cap. I'm pulling for the Indians/. When Theo was hired by the Cubs, numerous posters on this site said very similiar things about his success in Boston. Regardless it was under his watch that the Red Sox ended their drought. As a White Sox fan living in New England I was glad to see him go. But I give him credit in that he has resurrected a worse situation with the Cubs than he did in Boston. He knows how to run a FO. I think he surrounds himself with people who have an eye for talent.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Oct 21, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) It's not far stretched to think the White Sox could have won more than 85 games this season if they had played in the NL. The disparity between the leagues is real and has been large for the last decade. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nl...e-play-for-now/ Which makes it ironic that the NL has won more World Series over that stretch since the disparity is not really close.