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QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 5, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) And obviously you aren't willing to wait another 4 months of next season to start the rebuild. I am. I'd like to see it played out before unloading all of our major league pieces of value. Clearly many here think the White Sox have no chance to compete for a playoff spot next year with 3 or 4 acquisitions this offseason but I do. I don't think they are as far away as many here are portraying. There is so much parity in the AL and in the Central even with the way the Indians are playing that I believe plugging the gaping holes in this 25 man roster will result in a much better and more balanced team. It wouldn't take a star player to get much more production out of C, DH, CF, and 5th starter. Bullpens are funny too - add Burdi, return Putnam and Petricka, and pick up another arm and that will look like a completely revamped pen. Again, if they are out of it next July, sell the pieces then when they are arguably even more valuable than during the offseason. A couple of thoughts. What are you trading to get a C or CF because you are not getting them out of free agency?? We saw last season that Jackson was the best this FO was willing to spend on. We also saw what they got for C. Then, if they are struggling next July, it probably means that some of the pieces you would unload are worth less than they were this trade deadline or off-season. I think your idea works only if you are getting rid of Williams and Hahn. Then it would make sense to let the new GM decide what direction he wants to go w the current roster. I say Williams and Hahn but the first person that needs to go is the scout that suggested they trade for Shields.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 5, 2016 -> 03:32 PM) I guess the eight year playoff drought doesn't bother you. Worse, would add that despite an 8 year drought, the system is not loaded with young talent on their way up.

Wishing you and your family the best.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) When was Mike Trout selected? And of course you totally misinterpreted what I said about the pick. I never stated great players weren't on the board at that time, I went back through the actual 26 picks 25 years and picking a releiver who is actually good makes your pick better than most of the others. It was a point to people who say you don't draft relievers that high. No Deception Jomes has a career WAR almost as high as the last 25 #26 picks combined. I think any time your 26th pick makes and sticks on the roster you did well. I don't care what position they play.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Sep 3, 2016 -> 12:06 AM) I'd be happy with Puig if the Sox can get him and put hin in LF If not, perhaps a Josh Reddick. I would sign Austin Jackson for Center and have Charlie Tilson platoon depending on RH/LH starters. Eaton stays in RF Frazier has to come back Tim Anderson, obviously at SS Saladino is my 2nd baseman and I trade Lawrie. Abreu stays at first. Narvaez is our starting catcher absent some trade. DH is a tough call not knowing if Melky will be traded and whether Morneau even wants to come back. The bullpen is a joke. The Sox have to DFA Albers and trade Robertson for anything they can get for him. I would try to trade Lawrie, Robertson and Melky, DFA Albers and, Avi Garcia. Not sure if Shields will have trade value but f doesn't DFA him as well. He is just too erratic from start to start. Lawrie got hurt after posting down numbers. He has no trade value. You have to play him next year and hope his value increases before the trade deadline. .

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 3, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) Yeah I still find team entertaining. Last year was way way worse for reasons I can't even identify. But this group seems more competent and fun. On this date last year Sox were 8 games under .500 so at 6 right now they are having a better season.................... Unfortunately they then went into KC and won 3 of 4 so we need to keep winning this weekend.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 06:38 PM) I don't know why our front office wants JBJ so bad. He'd be a player I would be more than willing to sell high on if I was Boston with the prospects coming up through their system. He is close to if not the best defensive center fielder in baseball. Add to that he has 22 HR and 75 RBI and cheaper than Sale But I would take the story w a grain of salt. That is a Levine story. I had posted before the trade deadline that I thought Bradley was an untouchable based on the position he plays for Boston. That ship has "sailed " now since Boston probably will go for a 2nd tier pitcher w the emergence of Porcello to go w Price.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 1, 2016 -> 06:08 PM) It's kind of amazing how many of their prospects are good to great right away compared to our organization. Yes but they can't develop a pitcher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 03:35 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 1h1 hour ago Changeup is changing things for Carlos Rodon, who was 3-0 with a 1.47 ERA in August. http://bit.ly/2bZ8wNx Unfortunately this is September. Hopefully nobody told Rodon.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) Compared to the top tier of MLB? They were tied for 20th in total revenue, and less than half of what the leading team was. Let me put it this way, to make it even clearer. They were $47 million in revenue ahead of Tampa Bay, the lowest revenue team in baseball. They trailed the Yankees by $276 million. They are clearly a have not. Agree and really a mid-market team in a large market city.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 1, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) Have the Sox actually said this? Ortiz said he wants him to replace him but that's because they're good buds. Moncada just got called up. It will be interesting to see if he can play 3rd. If not he is a very real DH possiblity. So is Hanley Ramirez and they still have the Panda as another player returning. They may have enough internal options to cover DH

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) I think we all know what the reality is. They like what they're doing now and they're going to do it again. Sounds like they feel .500 next year is realistic and they are close to getting there...............................

QUOTE (ron883 @ Sep 1, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) Our first baseman finally pushes his OPS above .800 and people want me to apologize for saying he was figured out. News flash, .805 ops and 19 homers isn't all that great for a below average fielding 1B. Jose just isn't what we thought was. He had a very good season his first year. He dropped back some last year and will probably be fairly close to last year's numbers again. His power numbers may be down a little but he is walking more and striking out less. Defensively he has been pretty mediocre since he arrived although his defensive stats are better this year over last. .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 1, 2016 -> 08:13 AM) The Sox like to put their top guys into playoff situations. They do it often. Are you being sarcastic or do you mean at the minor league level??

The way he has been going, I think Porcello may get the Cy Young.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 31, 2016 -> 06:54 AM) My point is Puig is mostly hype at this point. He has not been getting it done on the field. Maybe he turns it around, but why would anyone think the White Sox would get more out of him than the Dodgers.? Offensively he is now Avi who is most likely a non tender this winter.. Why be on the hook for $18 million more? The Sox need offense. It is easy to see why people would be excited about acquiring him, but the reality is the Dodgers have him in AAA for a reason, and if his career trend continues the Eox front office would be considered fools once again for bringing him in. There is obviously a chance at a hitting a home run here, but there is also a hig bust possibility IMO. Agree. Unless they are giving him away financially, this is a pass. Especially with the way we have seen NL players perform moving over to the AL

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) What potential city is looking for and capable of supporting a pro baseball team? I dont think there would be many candidates therefore the Sox arent going anywhere. At least not outside of Chicago. Havana

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 11:15 PM) I can't believe they all thought we had a contender. What we had was a one and a half month wonder. As far as tonight ... ho hum we are patsies of Detroit, Cleveland and KC. At least my guy Saladino excelled again and Anderson is hot again. Love that. Nate is a 6 out of 10 folks. That's all he is. A 6. Greg: I am coming around on saladino as a regular 2nd baseman. If he can hit .260 ish and 15 HR that is pretty good production from 2nd. How does he look defensively?/ This is his first year really playing 2nd so he certainly can't be expected to be like Sanchez. Hopefully he is looking better

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) Bumping because Gary Sanchez was on the Sox radar but Yanks at the time were asking too much for him. Also funny that with Sanchez and Vasquez to talk about Soxtalkers picked the wonderful pitch framer to marvel over. When will you all learn pitch framing is a bull s*** fad that means very little. Umps have wised up to it and its still umpiring strengths and weaknesses that lead to most blown balls and strikes calls. Apparently pitch framing is more fascinating than hitting bombs. I think Vazquez will be a very good ML catcher. His hitting was a problem this year because he sat out most of last year. But he was a consistent .275 hitter in A, AA and AAA. Besides his noted pitch framing, he has a canon of an arm and is still only 25. I would take him as a 3rd type piece in a package. But I think the Sale/Q trade to Boston will not happen now that Boston's need seems more bullpen depth than starting pitching. They will probably go for a step down from Sale/Q. Maybe Rodon is a possiblilty

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 04:06 PM) Nate Jones is very good. I don't really understand when people don't like him. 2.34 ERA, 3.08 FIP, 9 K/9 is down a bit but he has a WHIP of 0.93. Jones is a stud. What is a stud?? Jones is a very good set-up man. He struggled as the closer but that was really a few years back. I think he is very valuable and a key guy in the pen as we learned last year when he was out. Stud..................that is kinda exaggerating his value.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 04:13 PM) I don't get people's desire to "dump" Melky? Dump one of the most consistent hitters on your team?...mkay. If they didn't trade him at deadline they sure as hell wont trade him now...same with Robertson. I don't have a problem trading Robertson at all...in the off season...but IMO it seems ridiculous to trade one of the better hitters on your team right now for basically nothing. But then again...this is the Sox. Agree but I don't think the idea is for nothing. Could they trade him and get a solid prospect back ??

QUOTE (Scoots @ Aug 28, 2016 -> 04:43 PM) 3 games out of 4 from Seattle. Bring on Detroit. I sound like an idiot for saying this, but a very unlikely sweep against Detroit gets the Sox back in that 2nd wild card spot conversation. Depends who you are having that conversation with. ..................................

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) Ok then so if Abreu is that bad and Eaton is the only position player on the Sox who's worth anything how the hell are the Sox close to .500 ? Don't tell me 3 players on a whole team can make that much difference ( Eaton , Sale and Q ) I'd include Anderson too but he hasn't been around all year. Every other position player then has to be near the bottom too since no one can even put up a 1 WAR. . The pitching staff as a whole might be considered middle of the pack . Seems to me the Sox should be in Twins, A's territory as far as their record is concerned . Maybe I've been too harsh on Robin. He might be a genius Well you can look at it two ways. How important is a manager??? Either the front office assembled a contender and Robin and staff could not get them to produce. Or the FO assembled a lemon and Robin at least got lemon juice.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 11:36 PM) Nice comeback win by the Sox. Tons of big hits by Anderson, Frazier, etc. Horrific starting pitching by the Sox but it doesn't matter. An exciting come from behind win. I'm guessing we haven't had many combacks from three runs down that late in a game. Meaningless victory but I'll take it. Good job Sox. But at least the pen was solid. I would like to see Ranaudo get a few more starts to see if he has anything to offer. So far he has been bad.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 06:51 PM) If you (meaning most Sox fans pointing the finger at the fanbase) didn't have such a connection to the Cubs and the last 20-30 years of their history...the White Sox would seem like any perfectly normal franchise in a decade long downturn, with fans acting accordingly. Outside of the Cubs and Cardinals, there just aren't any similar franchises whose fans support the team year after year, regardless of the results on the field. And even that started waning the first 2-3 years of the Epstein/Hoyer rebuild. The only other one that comes close is Milwaukee...to a lesser extent. (This can be mostly explained away by a commissioner of baseball for two decades making decisions to advance the interests of his daughter's franchise, especially the new stadium.) Instead of having anomalously bad fans, we are the normal condition that only seems or feels or is perceived to be an anomaly for the worse because of the Cubs and how the product on the field never mattered to their fans because so many were there at Wrigley just to get wasted in the bleachers around "hotties" or take part in their annual local Rotary or Kiwanis club shopping spree/Cubs Trip leaving from Des Moines on a charter bus. Boston is pretty consistent between 35-37,000 each game as well. They had 2 terrible years.