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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) I don't understand why some non-Sox fans think that trading for Quintana would be much easier than trading for Sale. To me, Q is more consistent and controlled for an extra year. I still think Sale would get a better return, but Q wouldn't be that far behind. He's VERY undervalued. Sale would get a better return in most cases. As I have pointed out before, just read Sox Talk. There are numerous postings through the years of fans saying they are going to a Sale start. Rarely do you see someone choosing a Q start to attend. Around baseball, acquiring Sale could generate ticket and merchandise sales. Now Boston sells out most games anyway so they would not care about ticket sales as much getting the best fit. But Sale could be a box office prize for a team like the Mets. I would think Q would get 60-70% of the return Sale would. But I also am on record that Sale is probably not tradeable while Q is.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 19, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Given Dombrowski's history and the recent departure of some of Boston's FO analytics guys, that gives me more hope that a Sale deal will actually happen. I have less reading/listening to the Boston media. But maybe Dombrowski has a great poker face.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 19, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) I wouldn't want to speak for the original poster, but he did say "at a bargain price". Kershaw is better, I believe, but Sale's extremely friendly contract makes him that much more valuable. Agree. I think Sale is worth more than any team will pay. Hopefully Q can be traded for 2-3 prospects which would make more teams viable trade partners.

I think by default, Sale is our opening day pitcher in 2017. Hopefully Q is moved by then.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 06:47 PM) There's no way that the Sox will be doing a 4-5 year rebuilding. More like 2 years. And I don't think that's a pipe dream, given that JBJ is entering his prime, Benintiendi is ML-ready, and Moncada is close to ML-ready. I think Moncada needs another year in AAA. His cup of coffee was weak. Benintend's bat was ML ready but his play in LF was sketchy at times . In fairness to the kid, he also skipped AAA so his problems in LF were understandable. I assume you are not thinking those 3 are in the same deal by the way. I think Moncada can be had for the right price but I really think JBJ and Benintendi are not going anywhere.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 06:31 PM) I really think Sale and Robertson for Benintenidi, Kopech, Groome, Rodriguez, and Vasquez is pretty fair, but unrealistic given our obsession with Bradley I doubt they want Robertson. They already have a closer in Kimbrall and I doubt they pay Robertson money for a set-up guy. They will probably want a lefty set up guy.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 04:36 PM) The Red Sox already have two southpaws in their rotation, with Price and Rodriguez. It would be historically unprecedented for them to have 3 left starters. The presence of the short left field "Green Monster" has always dictated that their rotation be primarily right handed. Therefore, while they have they pieces to trade for a top of the rotation starter, I don't see how they would target Sale. What am I missing here? Actually they may have 3 w the Buchholz/ Pomeranz sweepstakes for the 5 spot. If they decide to pursue Sale they may put Rodriquez in the package and maybe Pomeranz is dealt for a reliever. Sonny Gray's name pops up as well since I guess Moncada could get that deal done.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 02:33 AM) One of the best hitters? Melky ranked 64th in wRC+ and 75th in offensive WAR. The only thing he's elite at offensively is making contact. 9th lowest K% in majors and 12th in contact%. He could be attractive to teams looking for a left-handed bat or DH next summer if he has a decent year at the plate. His defensive range appears to be really down.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 14, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) It's amazing that this organizational seemingly makes the wrong choice at every turn. Common sense does not exist on the south side. Hopefully they are all getting pay raises. They were able to bring the team from 10 under .500 all the way to 6 under. Goal by 2018 should be over .500..........................................

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 09:03 PM) They have 3 (Ross, Abad, and Scott), but I'd happily give them Dan Jennings if they're willing to overpay for him. Only name being floated in media so far is Boone Logan as a lefty option.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) Absolutely does. This deal makes a ton of sense. Boston definitely needs another arm or two in the bullpen. But there top bullpen need is a lefty since they only have one

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 12, 2016 -> 11:22 PM) As if anyone would want him... he's worse than Danks. I hope they aren't that biased. He was very good in September after spending time in the bullpen. I think some team would give him a shot for a 5th starter since he is only 32. Theo could be interested if Lackey calls it quits. Francona is another who saw him when he was effective. I would love to see sox get him if the price is limited and see if Coop could turn him around. But Boston pays 5th starters what we would pay top of rotation so he might be too pricey on a sign and trade.

FWIW---Boston Cable had their end of season Red Sox wrap-up show tonight. Had 4 of the regular media members that cover the team from different media sources. Retaining Farrell was a sign that Dombrowski will not be making major changes. All were in agreement that Red Sox from all indications will go with existing starters but will need to add a set-up person in bullpen. All agreed Moncada and Benintendi will not be traded. A few other thoughts they had: 1. Moncada could eventually end up as a right-fielder in AAA next year and that could free up a Bradley trade in 2018. 2. 3B is Panda's to lose. 3. Swihart will eventually be traded but not this offseason since he is damaged goods. 4. Vazquez will most likely be the 2017 catcher. 5. Buchholtz could be a sign and trade for a SP prospect or a bullpen piece.

Hahn will be on the phone to his agent today..................

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 12, 2016 -> 10:51 AM) I forget who made the point originally, but reading the subsequent posts, taking advantage of the Red Sox catching depth is a must, and makes a ton of sense if the Sox are going to try for a hybrid rebuild. Not many teams can show depth behind the plate. The best of the White Sox depth is years away, and a guy like Collins might not make it to the bigs as a catcher. I had no idea the depth at catcher the Red Sox had, and would rather see the Sox go after a guy like this versus another pitcher or position player at the end of the deal. Do any other teams have this kind of availability? I don't see their catching depth. They gave up on Swihart because of his catching abiliities and converted him to a LF then he ended up on DL for most of season. I love Vazquez as a defensive catcher but they sent him back to AAA again because he couldn't hit ML pitching. They got lucky because Leon, a career sub .200 hitter batted .300 this year. Their ML backup Hanigan hit below .200 and Holoday who they picked up struggled as well. I think they will bring back Leon and Vazquez, release Hanigan who was the primary last season and put Holoday in AAA as insurance. I doubt they trade Vazquez because Leon is a risk. They will trade Swihart because Benintendi jumped ahead of him on their depth chart.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 11:26 PM) Frankly I think that option is best case scenario. I really don't know if Boston would consider moving Moncada. They say no in the public but who really knows. I know for sure, and I don't want to see it, that the Sox will not be getting Mookie Betts. Please make that stop... Moncada was rushed to the majors this year and he had a very poor showing. Benintendi was also rushed and played very well. In normal times, both would have gotten some time in AAA. Moncada will probably need a full year in AAA next year. I think the question for Boston is how far behind Moncada is Devers and which one is viewed as the next 3B. If it is Devers, they may move Moncada.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 04:23 PM) Yeah, a team that came up short as it was doesn't pretty much stand pat and stay in house when it is losing it's biggest run producer. Even with a free agent, chances are their DH production is going down. They need to make up for it some way, and on the mound is the answer. I think they look at it differently. They got little production out of 3B and LF last season. Benintnedi is a major upgrade in LF and either Moncada, Holt or Panda will play 3rd. I think Moncada needs a year in AAA but I guess ST will determine that. Either way, they will probably get more production than they got from Shaw/Hill at 3rd. I see people on this site thinking Encarnicion is headed to Boston. See very little on that locally. Thought is they will want a lefty not a righty with their present roster.

FWIW: Boston/Providence paper and talk media are pretty consistent today. Red Sox priorities in order: 1. DH-Bullpen( esp.lefty) and 3B. Most figure bullpen via trade and DH and 3B in house 2. Alex Speier who is one of their prime reporters said they have 6 starters signed for next year. "This may be an offseason defined more by subtle changes rather than fundamental ones. In the rotation, the team retains control over its six primary starters this year – David Price, Rick Porcello, Eduardo Rodriguez, Drew Pomeranz, Steven Wright, and Clay Buchholz (whose $13.5 million option represents almost a no-brainer given its short term and the righthander’s solid performance down the stretch). Will the Red Sox explore the trade market to see if the White Sox are inclined to deal Chris Sale or Jose Quintana? Certainly, but in a thin market where the prospect cost of starters is likely to be exorbitant, the team may also stay the course. " https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...fLwI/story.html

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 08:24 AM) So I was in bed before 9 last night, but did Conor Gillaspie really hit a triple off Chapman? Unbelievable, especially with both of their LH splits. Was he spotted near Daniel Murphy's doctor last week? Why can't we get players like that..............

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 10, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) Disagree on value of Bradley. If Bosox trade him, they wouldn't miss a beat. They would just slide Benintendi in there. I have no doubt that they consider him much more valuable than Bradley. On another note, this right handed pitcher Kopech supposedly throws harder than Chapman. Has hit 104. Bradley is an elite CF and Benintendi is still a work in progress. From what I have seen, Benintendi seems to have a good arm but has been wild from left. Not sure how his arm is in center. Betts was a very good CF but Bradley ousted him from there. If they traded Bradley, which I doubt, Betts might be better than Benintendi.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 10, 2016 -> 09:28 AM) Really gonna use the Dodgers as an example of a team that develops 4th and 5th starters? Lmao, the same team that went out and traded for Hill, signed McCarthy and Blanton in the offseason, paid a crazy amount to Maeda when he posted. The exact acquisition model that puts you in a hissy fit and now they are great at developing 5th starters. Just wondering, if the team is intending to go for a full rebuild and trade Sale and Q, would you retain Cooper??? I would think Renteria would bring in a younger pitching coach to work w Rodon, Fulmer and young pitchers drafted and added via trades. Maybe this means Q and Sale are not being dealt.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 10, 2016 -> 12:24 AM) They are the team to watch IMO. Unless Boston decides to nut up. They already have many studs in place, bullpen is pretty nasty, just need that ace. Boston's bullpen had numerous issues during the 2nd half. But their starting pitching was outstanding during the same stretch. Kimbrel has had control issues down the stretch.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 9, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) Agree that Betts is unlikely. I thought I said so. But if another starter gets bombed and they're swept, you'll see panic in Boston this off-season. Also don't sleep on the Yankees but will have to give up Gary Sanchez. I don't think you will see panic in Boston. They are coming off 2 terrible seasons where they finished last in AL East. Down the stretch they owned their main rivals in O's and Jays. They made a boatload of money this year in both attendance and merchandise sale. They have 4 young players in starting lineup and more talent on the way. But making the playoffs for them is not a goal but more an expectation. So I think Dombowski will be busy. Many forget they lost their #3 starter and All-Star mid-year this year in Wright. Benintendi made a splash down the stretch. Moncada, however. was a flop. Both were rushed to the majors skipping AAA. Living in Red Sox country, my take. I hope to hell Sale does not end up in Boston. I think Dombrowski will make moves and trade one of Moncada or Benintendi. My guess, he will package the one w another prospect( Devers or Kopech), a SP ( Buchholtz or Pomerantz) and Shaw or Holt and add a 2-3 starter and a lefty reliever. keep an eye on Sonny Gray. He will not trade Betts or Bradley. Benintendi and Betts are a step down from Bradley defensively, the reason why both had to learn new positions. Hopefully they get swept tonight although the game may get rained out.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) Lol, Porcello will never make the Red Sox say "nah, don't need Sale" Ever ever ever I consider Sale top 3 in baseball as a starter. But if Red Sox bounce back against the Tribe they may not want to pay the Sale price in players/prospects. Price gets $30Mil for 7 years and Porcello gets $22 for 4. So they may not want to add Sale knowing he would come up before they expire. I hope Hahn doesn't trade Sale for just prospects. I would rather see 2 ML quality young players+ rather than 4 high prospects.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) There will be plenty of talk now, as Porcello and Price have both failed the Red Sox in this series. Hopefully Tribe can sweep and Red Sox exit with concerns on their starters. Don't want to see Porcello or Price get a 2nd shot at redemption.