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QUOTE (professa @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 12:33 AM) I still think the Sox will still try to compete next year, but do so by acquiring young players that can make an impact right away. I'd like to note I'm in favor of a complete teardown, instead of this semi-rebuild which I am about to propose: Sox trade Quintana and Brett Lawrie for Yoan Moncada, Eduardo Rodriguez, and Blake Swihart Sox Sign Carlos Gomez 1 yr/8M deal with option Sox sign Chris Coghlan 1/5M deal Sox Sign Pedro Alvarez 2 yr/18M Sox Sign Geo Soto Eaton Anderson Abreu Frazier Alvarez Melky Gomez Moncada Swihart/Soto Coghlan Saladino Swihart/Soto Tilson Rotation 1. Sale 2. Rodon 3. Shields 4. Gonzalez 5. Rodriguez/Fulmer Pen CL. Robertson SU Jones SU Burdi MR Putnam MR Jennings MR Petricka MR Rodriguez/Fulmer Swihart was converted to a left fielder. He did not make the grade as a catcher on a Boston team that is pretty weak at the position.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 09:23 PM) For sure. Other than the ones we know about, supposedly he has been sent home other times as well. Abbatacola also mentioned earlier that his source said Sale's part of the reason Robin didn't really want to continue. Sale will be back. There is no way the Sox get what they will want for him especially w Boston probably out of the running. Maybe the Yankees or washington could put a package together but I think unless Hahn drops his demands , Sale will be back. Q I think is very tradeable.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) Most definitely agree. I see posts that have Eaton moving back to center when acquiring another outfielder. That is just plain foolish. Adam Eaton is a gold glove caliber right fielder and a mediocre at best center fielder, you don't mess with that. I have no idea how they are going to acquire a legitimate major league center fielder, but if Adam Eaton is your starting center fielder next season I will be greatly disappointed. This probably would of been a disaster, but the times that they started Eaton in center and Avi in right the last couple of months, I think I would of rather that they switched and tried Avi in center and left Eaton in right. The worst that happened would of been a few more losses due to center field defense, but then we might have a protected draft pick. Who knows, the odds are small, but maybe something would of just "clicked" with Avi in center. Seeing the ball better or something. After all, some scout somewhere thought he could play center when we traded for him. I think Eaton is adequate in CF. It certainly makes sense to keep him in right but if you cannot get a legit CF you may have to move him back to improve the overall offensive balance of the outfield. For example, I don't think you pass on Reddick, if he is a target, because Eaton is in RF.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) i was and in some way very critical of the sox FO as anyone. but i still thought back then, getting Shields was a good gamble. who would have known that JS would have produce as he did. pls think back, many posters were not happy at the way the sox was going into the season, esp in the SP dept. i just hoped they, the owners learned from their mistake. now the BIG QUESTION is, are the sox going to be buyers or sellers???? Boston media wrote a week before the White Sox trade that the Red Sox backed off Shields because they thought he could not survive in a hitter's park and his fastball had lost 2-3 mph.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) Except that Frazier and Melky both hit free agency next winter, and the Sox cannot legitimately "go for it" without those two. So there is a compelling reason to either sh*t or get off the pot this year. But their value is higher this winter than it will be in July and the trade pool is larger in the winter than in July. So waiting till July is a big mistake unless the Sox are contenders next season.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 07:40 AM) Maddon also went after the Cub job when he had that window of time to make himself a FA. He wanted the Cub job. I doubt if there is another manager out there of his caliber who would want to get the White Sox job. Might not but situations change. Suppose Yankees decide to let Girardi go??

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 09:00 PM) My belief is they trade him for Bradley Jr and Moncada and then try to add starting caliber players to go for it again I doubt Sale is traded. Boston's starting pitching was very good the 2nd half. Their bullpen is a major problem. I doubt they are interested in trading any core pieces ( Bradley) in a trade for any stating pitcher never mind Sale. They will be a favoirite to be in the World Series next year w the team they return. If Dombrowski could get Sale for Moncada and some ML backups like Holt, Shaw etc I could see him doing it. If that happens, Hahn should be a throw-in as part of the trade.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 05:49 PM) It still bothers me that they're unwilling to go outside and even listen. The Braves just set interviews with like 4 guys, including all their assistant coaches and their interim coach. How do you know 100% certainty that you won't hear a guy come in with a perspective you haven't thought of before? I would also add that they should have waited a short time to see if a surprise candidate surfaced. The Cubs didn't know Maddon would be dropped into their laps. By waiting a week or so they may have found 1 or 2 other people. But, hopefully this is step one in an off-season that will regain some credibility to an organization that is in a really down period.

If KW leaves, this could be great news for the"Drake". He can return for spring training.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) A chance? Yeah, absolutely. I think Porcello gets it, but I don't think it will be a landslide and it would totally shock me if Kluber won it either. I don't think Britton, Verlander, Happ, or Hamels have a chance. Although I think they should be a separate category, I think Britton will be 3rd especailly w O's late surge for a WC.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 04:20 AM) Barring a really bad start Sunday, Sale has locked up the fWAR and pWAR titles. That's why I posted what he needs to do ERA and WHIP wise to be better than Porcello. If he accomplishes that, then the only traditional stats the old-thinking writers can point to is wins and walks. Sale would have the advantage in IP, ERA, K, WHIP, H/9. I would rather have Sale come back( he will not be traded) next year w a chip on his shoulder for not winning it. I also think he finishes 3-4 in ballots.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Sep 30, 2016 -> 05:19 PM) Porcello makes his final start tonight. Could really use a nice RIGHT THERE FRED from Toronto to knock down that pretty ERA. Game will start late due to Ortiz Tribute. It may be a distraction for Porcello.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 30, 2016 -> 01:34 AM) Well they made a run at .500 but it turns out to be four straight years under .500 and seven out of the last 10. Not good. Mark But they have improved on last year as they will finish closer to .500 than last year. I think by the end of 2017 we can see a solid .500 team......

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 30, 2016 -> 08:09 AM) Maddon helped the Cubs win 6 extra games or so. Savvy trades for Rizzo, Arieta, Hendricks, Russell and a closer nabbed in Rule V were worth a lot more wins. And not a "proven veteran" among them, Kenny Williams. You forgot a couple. Last I looked Lester and Lackey had 30 wins. They were proven veterans.

Maybe there is another factor, age. When JR was 60 or 70 maybe he would react differently. But at 80 now, JR may be in "retirement mode" and is not anxious to "blow it up". So Kenny, Hahn and Robin's jobs are safe because loyalty/continuity are more important to JR than winning. JR's net worth is more than a $ billion these days so status quo to him may be acceptable.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) Off the top of my head, I found Connie Mack whose teams lost 610 games over a six season span... in a 154 game schedule. Agree but poster said "recent memory"

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:14 PM) Not even close. WRONG. That honor would probably go to Buddy Bell who had a .418 winning percentage with 3 different teams. Maybe that is why he has a lofty position with the White Sox.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 06:15 PM) While I would also not be super-happy about the defensive downgrade of moving Eaton back to CF, the Sox need another high-OBP player more than they need Eaton if RF. Finding a CF who can hit and get on base with a .330+ OBP AND be a defensive upgrade to Eaton is going to be difficult. Especially considering that the Sox are probably not going to give out a $120M+ contract and currently aren't a popular destination for free agents. Also consider that most free agents don't want to DH... unless they're old, slow, and injury-prone like Morneau. If Hahn were able to convince somebody like Cespedes or Reddick to sign with the Sox, I doubt there's any way that either would agree to DH. A best-case scenario to address OF/DH for the Sox this offseason would probably be signing Reddick, moving Eaton back to CF, and convincing Morneau to sign a two-year deal to be our primary DH. I think that Reddick is pretty much a pipe dream, and my guess is that Morneau will end up paying for a team that's closer to winning a ring (e.g., Boston). Unless Boston is very busy trading in the offseason, I don't see them adding a DH. I think Panda and Hanley Ramirez will take the AB's of Ortiz.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Sep 27, 2016 -> 01:23 AM) Shields gave up 1 run, 2 walks, and no homers over 6 innings? What the hell is happening here??? Why they call him "Big Game". Sox are streaking to stay ahead of Rockies who are now 2 back.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 24, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) Because at one point he was a White Sox. His guy is LaRussa. It may be his dream job. Go get him and give Jimmy an offer he can't refuse. He is still on the young side at 73. Let's go get Joe Torre who was a great manager and has friends in high places.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 24, 2016 -> 12:24 AM) That's basically going winless on the road. Four measley wins. LOL. Good job, Robin, Coop and the rest of you coaches and scouts. and players

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Sep 24, 2016 -> 05:39 AM) My hope is for the team get younger and aim toward a 3 year rebuild program. I feel Dave Martinez would do wonders with younger players and get the most out of them. Even though we clearly know they will continue to try and scrap together a roster via the weak free agent market and mediocre trades, I would still like them to sign Martinez to a 4 year deal. That is my hope-- the reality: scrap together another mediocre roster, sign an oddball free agent that will cost the team their first round draft pick and will sign AJ or Konerko to become manager. He was Maddon's right hand man and got passed over in Tampa( as well as several other jobs) even though they got to see him first hand for years. My guess is he may be more a #2 than a #1.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 22, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) My entire point is that if you're going to have Adam Eaton and Melky Cabrera in your outfield accounting for less home runs combined than a Jose Valentin or a Joe Crede of years would typically get on their own, and if Tim Anderson is in your infield with Tyler Saladino, and you have a BLACK HOLE at catcher..... beyond the 65 homers you can count on with Abreu and Frazier, WHERE ARE YOUR HOME RUNS COMING FROM? This year in the AL, RBI's not HR's is the telling statistic. The Top 3 in the AL are the 3 division leaders. The two wildcard favorites Balt and Toronto are 4th and 6th. In HR, Cleveland is 10th.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) No matter how many people are in consideration, Sox fans will hate the move unless it's Dave Martinez. Doubt it will be Martinez. He was -in-house in Tampa and they passed over him for cash. I vote for Chili Davis.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 12:04 PM) The blame here rests squarely on Robin's shoulders. They've got guys like Abreu, Frazier and Q that lead by example, character and grit. They've got intense, win-at-all-cost players like Eaton, Lawrie, Sale and Rodon. Anderson and Saladino seem like they've got fire. Avi busts his ass. Robin needs to get everyone else rallied. Seems like he can't. I disagree. The blame should rest on the shoulders of the person(s) who has decided each year that Robin will stay.