TheFutureIsNear

Ok so what's the infatuation with a light hitting catcher like Severino? It it just desperation for a C in general or am I missing something?

No Robles?? What other position player do they have worthy?? Giolito and 1 of Ross/Lopez/Fedde...sure nice start, but who else is involved? Hope we don't over value someone like Severino just because it's been a while since we've had a decent C.

Can we also get a separate thread for his girlfriend? I think it would really bring something extra to the forum lol

There was nothing but positive reviews of Collins' catching ability in the AFL. No reason to knock him off catcher anytime soon.

There's this Zack Collins guy out there...we should really look into him.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:36 PM) Delvin Perez was very highly thought of going into the 2016 draft before testing positive. And he still was a first rounder. Yeah he's intriguing but for what he is the Cards probably value him too much. A middle infield prospect with little power that is probably 4 years away isn't exactly high on my list honestly. As a 3rd or 4th piece sure, but I'm sure they will value him higher than that.

Luke Weaver, Harrison Bader, Matt Adams, Carson Kelly, Sandy Alcantara...ehh? The cardinals lack an impactful hitting prospect I think. I can't see us coming up with a deal for Eaton to them.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:22 PM) I want more for Quintana than what they got for Sale or I wouldn't trade him. He's the best pitcher on the market now and is under control for longer than Sale. Do we get extra wins at the end of the season for having him on the roster or something?? Trading Sale for what we did was waving the white flag of a rebuild. Holding onto a good pitcher on a bad does nothing for us. Trade Q for another 2 building blocks like Moncada/Kopech + a couple of lottery tickets and all of a sudden there is a bright future ahead. Of course it's not a bullet proof plan, but it's still a heck of a lot better than what we've been doing.

Hmm...wonder if Robles Gialito is still on the table? If not hopefully Houston realizes they need to step up for a SP now. And no Bregman still doesn't need to be involved. AJ Reed, Kyle Tucker, and David Paulino is real nice start though.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) Sale to Boston for Moncada, Rodriguez, Groome, Dubon, Dalbec, and Swihart Well I guessed right that Boston would eventually come off of Moncada. Not the right pieces, but I wasn't too far off on value really. Would have been nice to get the extra wildcard piece in Swihart, but he's nothing to cry over.

Would have preferred 1 more prospect back, but I'm content overall....

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) Bellinger and De Leon? lol really? We'd probably be lucky to just get Calhoun and a A ball flyer

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) Kopech to me profiles as a reliever, albeit one with considerable upsiude Basabe striking out at a 28% rate in single A scares me Diaz is a reliever at best Moncada as a centerpiece is great, but I really thought the package would be deeper You and most people here were wildly unrealistic the entire time. You're disappointed off of a made up value you yourself assigned, rather then the reality of the situation. There wasn't a better offer out there. Based on the fact that we took this deal tells me that it really was just Robles and Giolito + 1 prospect not named Lopez/Fedde/or Ross. Don't think the Dodgers were ever really involved and we didn't seem very interested in Houston if Bregman wasn't involved.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) I can't help but being disappointed. It's not even about the return. It's the fact that the greatest pitcher in the history of the White Sox and my favorite player is no longer on the team. The front of the jersey should be more important to you than the back.

Devers, Travis, Groome, E Rod, Johnson, Basabe, Dalbec, Ball, Cosart, Swihart...not a whole of depth to what Boston could offer in my eyes. Hopefully its not someone who isn't on this list...

Other 2 prospects not named better be pretty damn good...

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) I have no interest in JBJ without a Moncada. I much rather have Giloto and Robles plus. Robles is a guy who could be the number one prospect in baseball next year. We need a blue chipper and Gioloto and Robles arguably gives you two. Nothing against JBJ but I'm looking for a package of controllable guys. I'm with ya on that...I don't trust JBJ honestly. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player and everything but he had pretty fluke 1st 1/2 of the season that made his overall #'s look better than they were. I think he's more a .250-.260 hitter for his career and that's not good enough for a center piece. I'd roll the dice on Robles as well

I love how there's a Boston rumor and everyone here just starts thrwoing Moncada's name in without seeing/hearing it anywhere. If JBJ is the centerpiece then that's means we struck out on Benentendi/Moncada and settled for JBJ in my opinion. So I think we are looking at JBJ, Devers+ or Giolito, Robles,+....

Giolito and Robles > Moncada and Kopech. And if Basabe is the beset 3rd piece Boston will do then no thanks....no idea why people are so caught up in names here. Just because you hadn't heard of Robles before yesterday that doesn't mean he's not a great get for the White Sox. There's a damn good chance that his time next year he will be the new Moncada level prospect.

You guys are all kidding yourselves if you think Turner is going to be in a package.... My guess is that Giolito and Robles are agreed upon but Hahn and Co. are trying to get as many of Lopez, Fedde, Joe Ross, Stevenson, Kieboom, Severino as possible and the Nats are balking at which 1's and how many go with the 2 headliners. All the while the Hahn is still checking his phone every 5 seconds waiting for a better offer to come in. Presumably waiting for Boston to come off of 1 of Moncada/Benentendi + Devers + 1 of Kopesch/Groome or Houston to let go of Bregman + Tucker + Musgrove/Paulino. I'd be surprised if anyone else is seriously in the mix.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 06:25 AM) Unless you can get Swanson or Bregman. The trade's easier to sell if the fans can see one key piece making an immediate contribution, particularly an everyday player at a key position on the field. Well looking at Sox attendance the causal fan that would be worried about name recognition back doesn't show up to the park anyway so who cares? The attendance was low with Sale, Abreu, Q, Eaton, Frazier, Melky, etc. You think people will show up if 1/2 of those guys are gone just because we got Trae Turner? Highly doubt it. Get the best package that helps the future the most, Turner by himself doesn't do much for this team and we aren't getting Turner + a whole lot else. The franchise is going to have to take its lumps for at least a couple of years but if a young, exciting, winning team is built people will show back up to fill the stadium.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) Were? So what happened, legit question I dont follow minor leagues that much. Giolito #4- Giolito’s stuff remains exceptional, earning him a big league callup, but scouts worry about his command. Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/mids...IWCp4Qcush1o.99 Robles #13- One of the most dynamic prospects in the game, Robles has the potential to be a true five-tool player. Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/mids...IWCp4Qcush1o.99 http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/8/13/1...posite-rankings (#4)it's way too soon to worry about a guy with two 80-grade pitches in his holster and imposing size to match. (#15)Robles is a scout's dream, a projectable center-field specimen with an advanced approach that should allow him to fully develop his five-tool potential. http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016 #3-Giolito has the highest ceiling among Minor League pitchers, boasting an elite fastball that sits mid-to-upper-90s and a 12-to-6 curveball that he throws with power and hard, downer action. His changeup has steadily improved in the past two seasons and his confidence along with it, giving him a legitimate weapon against left-handed hitters. The sky is the limit for Giolito, who has the stuff, physicality and command to develop into an ace. #10-Robles is a potentially special talent who showcases all five tools along with elite athleticism on a daily basis. He shows the makings of a plus hit tool, thanks to his compact but explosive swing and feel for using the whole field, and scouts rave about his advanced approach and strike-zone judgment. A plus-plus runner, Robles' speed enables him impact games on the bases as well as in center field, where he has range for days in all directions and arm strength that's among the best in the Minors at the position. Beyond the athleticism and physical tools, the Nats love Robles' makeup and overall baseball aptitude, both of which make him a leader in the clubhouse. He might still be a few years away from reaching the Major Leagues, but there is reason to be excited about the kind of player he could become.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:41 PM) JJ Cooper ‏@jjcoop36 2m2 minutes ago Arlington, VA If White Sox do trade Sale to Nats, not as slam dunk as you might think whether the ask should be Giolito over Reynaldo Lopez. Asking for both would seem to solve that problem....the 3rd piece after Giolito and Robles has to be 1 of Lopez/Ross/Fedde or the deal isn't good enough in my eyes.

Robles, Giolito, Lopez(or)Ross, ?, ?....the 1st 3 seem to be fairly obvious I think? What the last 1, 2 or 3 are should be interesting though.

Give it up man, it's over. There's not enough talent in the entire organization to seriously compete. If you can't recognize the void of talent watching the games then I don't know what to tell you. It's not like we've been close and we just need 1 thing to get over the hump. No, we need about 5 things. And the payroll has never been 150M+ and it's not going to be just because you want it to. It is what it is, and it's time to rebuild.