TheFutureIsNear

So the latest mlbtraderumora update on Q is that his price is too high for Atl and Houston .... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/whit...p;post-id=79723

Q has to be the right deal and bring back a premium prospect (top 25)+ another top 100 and 2 high upside young guys. At least. Everybody else? Fair game. Melky, Frazier, and Robertson all must go. And with the value of relievers it seems like Jones should also be traded. Abreu is a tough call...not sure what his market is honestly. Wouldn't be too stubborn on trading him, but also not in a huge rush and it would take a pretty nice package of prospects.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) I'd aim for a bigger return than that. Quintana should return nearly the same value as sale did, especially due to the fourth year of control. That's 3 top 100 prospects and Stubbs/Laureno being much better prospects than the 4th from Boston.

Astros have a ton of hitting prospects. Don't know how their system wouldn't excite anyone, with or without Bergman. Tucker Reed Cameron Teoscar Hernandez Derek Fisher Ramon Laureano Garrett Stubbs If we can get any 3 of those position players + any 1 of Martes, Whitley, Paulino, Musgrove, or Franklin Perez I'm a happy camper honestly. Realistic offer? Tucker, Reed, Laureano/Stubbs and Paulino/Perez? Pick your preference on the last 2.

People are overthinking the rebuild if you're worried about not getting position players at the moment. Up until this coming deadline the goal should be to acquire as much talent as possible. The chips will fall into place after that. If in 2 years our "problem" is that we have too much talented young pitching it can be solved pretty easily. Starting pitching is always easy to move later.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:48 PM) I saw Severino described as the best defensive catcher in the minors. That is worth capturing. Going to be awfully hard to keep a bat in the lineup who can't maintain a .650 OPS...Not saying he's completely invaluable or he shouldn't be part of the package, but if we only get 3 players (without Robles or Turner) and Severino is 1 of them I'd consider it a pretty light deal.

Ok so what's the infatuation with a light hitting catcher like Severino? It it just desperation for a C in general or am I missing something?

No Robles?? What other position player do they have worthy?? Giolito and 1 of Ross/Lopez/Fedde...sure nice start, but who else is involved? Hope we don't over value someone like Severino just because it's been a while since we've had a decent C.

Can we also get a separate thread for his girlfriend? I think it would really bring something extra to the forum lol

There was nothing but positive reviews of Collins' catching ability in the AFL. No reason to knock him off catcher anytime soon.

There's this Zack Collins guy out there...we should really look into him.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:36 PM) Delvin Perez was very highly thought of going into the 2016 draft before testing positive. And he still was a first rounder. Yeah he's intriguing but for what he is the Cards probably value him too much. A middle infield prospect with little power that is probably 4 years away isn't exactly high on my list honestly. As a 3rd or 4th piece sure, but I'm sure they will value him higher than that.

Luke Weaver, Harrison Bader, Matt Adams, Carson Kelly, Sandy Alcantara...ehh? The cardinals lack an impactful hitting prospect I think. I can't see us coming up with a deal for Eaton to them.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:22 PM) I want more for Quintana than what they got for Sale or I wouldn't trade him. He's the best pitcher on the market now and is under control for longer than Sale. Do we get extra wins at the end of the season for having him on the roster or something?? Trading Sale for what we did was waving the white flag of a rebuild. Holding onto a good pitcher on a bad does nothing for us. Trade Q for another 2 building blocks like Moncada/Kopech + a couple of lottery tickets and all of a sudden there is a bright future ahead. Of course it's not a bullet proof plan, but it's still a heck of a lot better than what we've been doing.

Hmm...wonder if Robles Gialito is still on the table? If not hopefully Houston realizes they need to step up for a SP now. And no Bregman still doesn't need to be involved. AJ Reed, Kyle Tucker, and David Paulino is real nice start though.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) Sale to Boston for Moncada, Rodriguez, Groome, Dubon, Dalbec, and Swihart Well I guessed right that Boston would eventually come off of Moncada. Not the right pieces, but I wasn't too far off on value really. Would have been nice to get the extra wildcard piece in Swihart, but he's nothing to cry over.

Would have preferred 1 more prospect back, but I'm content overall....

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) Bellinger and De Leon? lol really? We'd probably be lucky to just get Calhoun and a A ball flyer

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) Kopech to me profiles as a reliever, albeit one with considerable upsiude Basabe striking out at a 28% rate in single A scares me Diaz is a reliever at best Moncada as a centerpiece is great, but I really thought the package would be deeper You and most people here were wildly unrealistic the entire time. You're disappointed off of a made up value you yourself assigned, rather then the reality of the situation. There wasn't a better offer out there. Based on the fact that we took this deal tells me that it really was just Robles and Giolito + 1 prospect not named Lopez/Fedde/or Ross. Don't think the Dodgers were ever really involved and we didn't seem very interested in Houston if Bregman wasn't involved.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) I can't help but being disappointed. It's not even about the return. It's the fact that the greatest pitcher in the history of the White Sox and my favorite player is no longer on the team. The front of the jersey should be more important to you than the back.

Devers, Travis, Groome, E Rod, Johnson, Basabe, Dalbec, Ball, Cosart, Swihart...not a whole of depth to what Boston could offer in my eyes. Hopefully its not someone who isn't on this list...

Other 2 prospects not named better be pretty damn good...

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) I have no interest in JBJ without a Moncada. I much rather have Giloto and Robles plus. Robles is a guy who could be the number one prospect in baseball next year. We need a blue chipper and Gioloto and Robles arguably gives you two. Nothing against JBJ but I'm looking for a package of controllable guys. I'm with ya on that...I don't trust JBJ honestly. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player and everything but he had pretty fluke 1st 1/2 of the season that made his overall #'s look better than they were. I think he's more a .250-.260 hitter for his career and that's not good enough for a center piece. I'd roll the dice on Robles as well

I love how there's a Boston rumor and everyone here just starts thrwoing Moncada's name in without seeing/hearing it anywhere. If JBJ is the centerpiece then that's means we struck out on Benentendi/Moncada and settled for JBJ in my opinion. So I think we are looking at JBJ, Devers+ or Giolito, Robles,+....

Giolito and Robles > Moncada and Kopech. And if Basabe is the beset 3rd piece Boston will do then no thanks....no idea why people are so caught up in names here. Just because you hadn't heard of Robles before yesterday that doesn't mean he's not a great get for the White Sox. There's a damn good chance that his time next year he will be the new Moncada level prospect.