TheFutureIsNear

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) Frazier put up a 2.4 WAR in 2016 a down year for him. It would be a career high for Trumbo. Napoli was a 1.0 WAR guy. Chances are Baltimore still overpaid. It seems contenders aren't looking for a 3B right now. Eventually at least a couple will be through injury or poor performance. Frazier improves his BABIP, and keeps his career best walk rate up, he should be a coveted guy during the season. Melky, the Sox will probably have to eat some cash unless he is just smoking the ball. You call it a down year, I call it a guy who clearly isn't a good hitter anymore. Frazier's entire approach at the plate is awful and has been for 1,000+ AB's now, I don't see that suddenly changing. So yeah, it's nice that he plays a pretty good 3B, but if he can't prove he's capable of hitting better than .230/.310 he's going to be pretty worthless at the deadline.

Hopefully cut before spring training....

Only $12M per for Trumbo...crazy, 5 years ago he probably gets a contract bordering on $100M. I think it might be real tough to get anything other than a couple lotto ticket 19 year olds for Frazier and Melky if/when they do get moved.

.238/.316/.462 36 HR's and 90 RBI's

14-9, 202 IP, 3.33 ERA, 180 K's. 1.2 WHIP

450 or so AB's.....255/.300/.410 with 7 HR's, 10 steals and his usual stellar D. He's either a slightly above average starting 2B or a very good UTL guy

Love all the people trying to push Collins out of C when they've never even seen the kid play. All reports have him making good progress and it hasn't even been a full year yet. Collins is the C of the future until he proves he can't do it at the MLB level. If his catching was as bad as people around here make it out to be he would have been moved already. Anyway...I still find it hard to believe the Astros don't finally get the deal done. Been saying all along that it makes way too much sense for them. I'd rather see us get a haul from the Yankees though. Frazier, Mateo/Rutherford, Kaprielian/Sheffield is my preferred package. Sounded like Cashman is balking at that but who knows, could all just be posturing.

.244/.310/.395 But I really hope I'm not subjected to an entire season of Avi starting. Don't know if I could deal with that mentally

.290/.345/.490 with 29 HR's

Just a thought but is it possible everyone is taking the Cashman "3 elite prospects" thing a little too literal? Every GM overrates their own players/prospects. For all we know Hahn asked for something pretty reasonable like Frazier, Kaprielian and Andjuar + an A baller and Cashman is overplaying his guys to the media. Kaprielian and Andjuar are both very good prospects, but I wouldn't lump either into the elite category. Then again the entire term "elite" is relative and subject to interpretation. I honestly don't believe Hahn would have demanded Torres and Frazier + a top pitching prospect and not budged though. On paper the Yankees are a great match and have a lot to offer, to be that stubborn doesn't seem practical or benificial. I just think what a lot of others have been saying, Cashman is building something and holding onto his prospects and a deal was never going to happen.

Yeah really doesn't make sense for the braves to trade Albies now. Wonder how enticing a Maitan, Acuna, Soraka, Riley package would be to Hahn? A lot of risk in that those guys are all far off, but could also be a potential goldmine as well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) Cool gif of Collins working behind the plate. Maybe a framing exercise? https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/819267851043438592 Definitely a very cool inside look. It's a drill to teach him to catch the ball while moving his hand as little as possible. So yeah, would play a big role in framing. We saw our catchers move enough pitches outside of the strike zone last year.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) How many prospects in the game are worth a damn to you? 10? 20? Glasnow, Bell, & Newman are all legit top 50 prospects. If you're s***ting on all these guys, you are going to be incredibly dissapointed with our Quintana return. Take a look at the actual players instead of the prospect # in front of their name. Obviously both Bell and Newman have value and aren't bad by any means, but both deserve some scrutiny if we are trading a top SP for them. Do you really want the badly needed hitting prospects we get back for Q to possibly be a 2B and 1B that might not be able to hit 25 hr's between them? I'm all for the depth and we obviously need it, but no position value and no potential impact bat in return would worry me. It's not a deal anyone should cry over, but wanting a potential impact bat for Q shouldn't be unreasonable. And I don't believe the Pirates can offer that if Meadows isn't involved.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) Waiting until the deadline is dangerous. What if Glasnow is pitching? What if Martes is pitching for the Astros? They probably wont want to move those guys if they are contributing to the team. Then your screwed. Look at the free agent list next offseason plus with the change in compensation. I'd tell the White Sox to screw themselves with that asking price with the free agent market becoming much more friendly. There will be more than 2 teams in need of Q at the deadline. Any SP on the open market even close to the quality of Q will get $150M+ while Q would still have 3 years at only $35(?)M. Of course the Frazier and Torres rumors are ridiculous, most of the pirates/Astros talk is very realistic and very borderline in my opinion.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) If you can get Glasnow, Bell, & Newman you take that deal immediately. Short of landing Meadows, you can't do better than that IMO. Not feeling that Astros deal at all. Would want Martes over Perez and would need a better fourth piece than Martin. Ehh Bell and Newman are just unspectacular to me. Both have a very good hit tool, but I don't think you can discount the fact that they could be a 1B and 2B(don't see Newman overtaking Anderson at SS) that can't hit 30 hrs between them. I know not everyone needs to be a hr hitter, I just hesitate in taking a package that doesn't involve a position player with the potential to be a true impact player.

Kyle Tucker, AJ Reed, Franklin Perez, and Jason Martin OR Tyler Glasnow, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, and Yeudy Garcia? Seems like this is the neighborhood everything is breaking down to? Not sure which 1 I prefer honestly. I've been pretty firmly in the "have to trade Q now" camp, but if something like these 2 offers are what is best available I might honestly lean towards gambling on Q and trading him at the deadline. Worst case scenario it will be another few months for our scouts to see some of these guys a little longer at a higher level than last year.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) Glasnow's lack of control is concerning. He could get away with it at the minor league level, but in the majors the walks will haunt him. I see him having plenty of strikeouts, but a ton of 5 or 6 walk outings as well. Many believe Keller might be the superior prospect now. Rodon had similar problems and cut his walk rate from 4.6/9 to under 3 in his age 23 season...Glasnow will be 23 for most of this year and has barely gotten a taste of the majors so far. How about he gets just a little time to develop? And an even crazier idea, lets see if he actually fails at any point 1st? I agree it's something that should cause some concern, but the idea that we shouldn't want Glasnow is absolutely ridiculous.

Yeah the Cubs have 2 of the top 20 hitting prospects in the game, don't know how you'd write them off. Jimenez, Happ, and Cease + a lotto ticket would compete with just about any teams offer if the Cubs wanted to do it...could probably even replace Cease for Clifton and it would still be a really good offer.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 06:30 PM) OK let me put it a different way. The Astros rotation is not capable of taking a team to the World Series, and probably not even the playoffs. They won 84 games last year and they are essentially adding McCann, Beltran, Reddick, Bregman, and Gurriell to their lineup. The last 2 were on the team for the stretch run last year, but adding those 5 to your lineup for a full year is no joke. If Kuechle and McCullers are healthy I dint think 90 wins is crazy at all.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) Let's say I bought the car before I decided to return to college, back when I actually had a decent-paying job. Now I know I should sell the car, but what if the offers I'm receiving aren't fair value? Yes, I know the car is depreciating the longer I keep it, but where is that balance between obtaining full market value and holding on to a depreciating asset that I have no need for? That's the question. I don't see how that's even a question honestly. At some point you have to realize that you're just spiting yourself to hold out for "value." Unfortunately Q's value isn't what the White Sox say it is, it's what other teams are willing to pay. So if his market isn't up to your par now after the season Q just had and the 4 years of control, why on earth would it be better down the line? There's honestly no logical argument to keeping Q on this team past the 2017 deadline. And even waiting until the deadline is a mistake in my opinion, but I can at least somewhat see Hahn holding out for as long as he can if the offers truly aren't up to snuff. I think something will definitely break at some point in the next month though, Q is too good for every team to pass on trading for. Someone will step up for him.

Jason Coats has the same amount of extremities as Mike Trout so he deserves a shot! Come on people, Coats literally has no discernible skill set that makes you believe he will succeed in the majors. It's like people don't understand what a AAAA player is.

Put your tissues away people, Coats will probably go unclaimed. And even if he does he's just going to sit in another team's AAA team. It's just Jason Coats, relax

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 11:48 PM) Then acquiring Gurriel, Beltran and McCann didn't make much sense if they want to continue to give at-bats to Gattis as well. The equation doesn't work if you're trying to play Bregman, not to mention AJ Reed. Something has to give. From all reports, Gurriel is an above-average defender at 3b, too. McCann and Gattis are going to catch more than you think...they have to. They let Castro walk and Max Stassi is their only other C and he can't hit a lick. C- McCann/Gattis 1B- Gurriel/McCann 2b- Altuve SS- Correa 3B- Bregman LF- Beltran/Gattis/Aoki CF- Springer RF- Reddick DH- Beltran/McCann/Gattis Gattis and Aoki are not going to keep Alex Bregman from playing. Bregman could even see a decent amount of time in LF while also filling in at SS and 2B when needed.

I still say the Yankees are the best fit. Even without Torres Clint Frazier, Justice Sheffield, Dustin Fowler, and Josh Rogers or say screw it and take a mega depth package from the Yankees without any of Torres, Frazier, or Sheffield if the Yankees insist on overvaluing them. It's crazy but the Yankees actually have enough depth and talent to do it. Jorge Mateo, Blake Rutherford, James Kaprielian, Jorge Andujuar, and Domingo Acevedo

Isn't there a certain date where we can still cut Lawrie (and Avi) without paying them? With Anderson, Frazier, Sally, Sanchez, and Davidson likely to have 25 man roster spots already I wonder if they view Asche as added IF/LF depth at a fraction of the price to Lawrie? I can't see any team trading for Lawrie, and giving him AB's at this point is pretty useless.