The Mighty Mite

I also thought those trades were bad but somehow the Sox won more games than any other team in the years of 63, 64 and 65. They won 94 in 63, 98 in 1964 and 95 in 1965 and had nothing to show for it.

Going back to the late 50s the Sox thought they had the next Mickey Mantle in Johnny Callison. He played a little bit in 1959 season but Veeck traded him in the off season with a few more very good prospects who all had very nice ML careers.

I think we should keep Sanchez in addition to the obvious players. Yolmer will make a fine utility infielder and is a good guy to have around.

Thanks, he did have LTP, IIRC he hit one that landed on the concourse out in deep right center.

I give up, who was LTP?

Excellent post and may I add that I trust KW and Hahn about as far as I can throw them in seeing a successful rebuild to where the Sox are yearly contenders for many years. The franchise needed entirely new blood in the Front Office much like the Cubs did when they brought in Theo. I'm 72 and probably don't have many rebuilds left on the horizon so I hoping the current one works but I'm not holding my breath

John Cangelosi, I thought he would be our best lead off man since Luis Aparicio.

Living in Florida I watch just about every Rays game. This past off-season the FO surprised everybody down here by trading or not re-signing a bunch of players who were damn good last year, Longoria, Dickerson, Morrison, Souza, Cobb and a few others. I thought that the FO was throwing in the towel on a new stadium and would piss off the fan base and attendance would be so bad that 5,000 would be an nice crowd and would pave the way for a move to another city. Well lo and behold the new guys are playing some really good ball with guys like Duffy, Ramos, Bauers and Snell leading the way. Swept the Yankees last week and just took 2 of 3 from the Astros. They are fun to watch and play sound fundamental ball, not like another team I happen to follow. They actually remind of the team of my youth, the GO-GO SOX OF THE 50s and 60s.

The franchise has become a laughingstock.

The Orioles pitching is worse than ours, if he can't help them, how is he going to help us.

What's the point of going down to Charlotte to rehab, let him rehab with the big club, it's not like he's going hurt the team, it can't get much worse.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 6, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) RR is the best....at losing He's managing a AAA team, maybe worse. When we lose today the Sox will be 4-23 since the All-Star break. I've been a fan since 1952, this is the low point, we are down there with whale ****.

QUOTE (harkness @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 07:23 PM) I'm not sure ive seen a team lose this much.... like 2 wins since the all star break? I can't remember anything like this. You can't expect much more, right now this is a AAA team but I guess that's how a rebuild works.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 06:54 PM) Yes, but you probably planned your retirement with that amount. I am sure Shields has some sophisticated financial planners and such that have already worked the $23 million into his retirement. He might not ever need it, but you never know. Walking away from $23 million is something g not many would do. One thing we can be damn sure on is that his agent is telling him; don't you dare retire.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 06:33 PM) So you would retire in his situation? I highly doubt you would. You have no idea what I would do, everything is relative, back in 1993 I gave up quite a few years in pension time and took an early retirement so I could move to Florida and never put up with another winter in Chiago.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 06:30 PM) I would take my lumps for $23 million. Is it that much? I thought he had a year left at 12 million. EDIT.....per Baseball Reference he gets 21 million in 2018 with the Padres picking up 11 million, 2019 there is a 2 million buyout.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 06:19 PM) Maybe, but I think you are trying to say he should retire. If Shields was 30-0 with an ERA below 1.00, I doubt the Padres or the White Sox would say, you know what, you are outperforming the contract, lets rip it up, and pay you more. So why should he walk away from the money guaranteed to him just because either Father Time and or injury have taken their toll? I know it's hard to walk away from the $$$ but I go back to pride and greed. This guy has already made millions, how much better is he going to live if he hangs around until his contract is over.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 06:12 PM) He is trying. He just doesn't have the stuff anymore. As Dirty Harry said; "a man has to know his limitations".

I have no respect for Shields, no pride. He's stealing a paycheck and should be ashamed of himself. He brings a whole new meaning to the word "greed". The only answer is to eat the rest of his contract.

Has to avoid injuries, easier said than done.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 07:16 PM) The Sox would have to eat 12 mil for Shields to go away after this season. Worth it. Bingo, we have saved a lot of money in all these trades, eat the contract.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 02:14 PM) Attendance is flat or below 2016, when they sold 100k tix in one week thanks to that hot start in April. But they have played so few weekday games that the average isn't brought down. We can talk about all the problems with the stadium, traffic, pricies, location etc etc etc but when you come right down to it it's the size of the fan base. I don't know the exact figures but my guess is that in the metro area the Cubs rule with somewhere around 66% of the baseball fan base with the Sox picking the remaining 34%. At one time it was 50-50 but a lot of bad moves by ownership led to losing a couple generations of fans.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 08:42 AM) Kansas City plays in a parking lot. Look at thier numbers So do the Dodgers, Angels, Brewers and Rangers. Not much around Citi Field either.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) Realistically, how much longer are the Sox expected to remain in the existing stadium? I'll agree it has been upgraded and isn't a bad park, but are we looking at ten years? Twenty? Thirty? The current lease is up in 2029.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 30, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) Or maybe he moved to Phoenix since there significantly more teams there and it required much less travel for his players... If I'm not mistaken it's still 15 teams in Florida and 15 in Az. Just verified it with Wikipedia. 15-15.