The Mighty Mite

QUOTE (fathom @ May 22, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) What in the world has he done to get another season after this? So far, his tenure has been abysmal. No results on the field and farm system is garbage. He's a victim of the policies of JR. Not investing in a productive farm system is one of the policies, not signing premier free agents is another instead we sign slugs like Dunn and LaRoche and has beens like Rollins and Jackson.

QUOTE (harkness @ May 22, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) Players have changed.. getting same lethargic results. The first thing to try is another manager... if its still the same then Hahn needs to go. The whole front office including the owner need to go, Hahn right now is the only guy I would give a pass to.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 22, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) I'm not even joking, but if I were Hahn I would fire Robin immediately for DHing AND batting Rollins 2nd against a RHP. I just don't get what the f*** he is thinking. He must not ever look at splits, because it would be painfully obvious how stupid this decision is. Makes me really f***ing mad just thinking about it. Amen to that, this lineup is a complete joke.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ May 22, 2016 -> 01:59 PM) They died after blowing the lead in Texas. The Rays lost a similar game to the A's last week and they came back to play some of their best ball of the year, the difference being the Rays have a good manager in Cash, not a half dead Ventura. Today's lineup might be the worst since 1970 and to tell you the truth that team could hit the ball with Melton, May and Herrman in the lineup, the pitching was horrible that year.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ May 22, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) Would Oakbrook have been an option? I wish it was in the suburbs, at least they would have built bars and restaurants around the park. I mean, I guess it doesn't matter, I only don't like going south of the ballpark. It was never going to be Clark street anyway. After the Addison move was voted down there was no more talk of a move to the burbs, the issue was then build a new park for the Sox in the city or they move to Florida.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ May 22, 2016 -> 11:44 AM) I've always thought the location of the park was fine. It's literally right off the Dan Ryan and the Red Line. It's not too far from the downtown METRA stations either. The area around the park gets a real bad rap as well. The trouble is that most of the Sox fan base moved to the burbs, that plus a lot of people who live in the northern burbs have never ventured to the Southside of Chicago.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ May 7, 2016 -> 09:45 PM) People are leaving the city and Illinois in high amounts, but I can't see them ever moving outside of the city unless they were moving out of Illinois. What I think the low attendance boils down to is that the Sox have a smaller fan base than the Cubs due to all of the factors that have been discussed over the years. It's a better environment for families, so at least they can compete with that aspect even if there's no night life scene outside of the park. I was trying to figure out with my dad at the game tonight why they didn't move to the suburbs in the early 90s and we just agreed that there wasn't enough financial backing and quite possibly the fan support for that. Having said that, I think attendance would grow if they were in Oakbrook of all of the suburbs. I could support the Chicago White Sox of Oakbrook, but I don't think I'd enjoy if they were in the loop (not that there's much room for anything there). It was great to see 28,000 there tonight and I could see crowds like that coming if they continue their winning ways into the summer. They tried like hell to build the new stadium in Addison on land owned by JR off of 355 just south of 290, Addison and Phillip Pate didn't want them and the issue was voted down.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 22, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) Agreed. And when the Cubs announce their own TV station / network that's going to suck up a lot of the advertising dollars. Sully had a column today in the Tribune which has been running a number of stories on the 25 years of U.S. Cellular Field and he had an interesting line in it: "One longtime Sox employee told me Saturday they would have been better off if they had built the ballpark in the suburbs." That's the first time that I know of somebody with the Sox has made a comment like that. Of course they had no choice as Mayor Washington said the ONLY location that he would support (as well as his cronies on the Sports Stadium Authority Board) would be across the street from the original Comiskey Park.) Mark I've always believed that, the Sox would have had a Bonanza in the Burbs. The biggest mistake was building the new park at 35th and Shields but after Addison turned down the move the Sox had no other choice.

QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 08:37 PM) Were the NL and AL mound heights different? Because the NL was killin it. Mound was lowered in both leagues. The NL back in those days was the better league, they won 19 out of 20 All Star games from 1963 to 1982

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 03:35 PM) Holy s*** Conor is 10th with a 292? Man, offense is sooooooooooooooooooooooo down. IIRC There was only one player in the AL to hit .300 in 1968 and that was Yaz at .301. The next year they lowered the mound 6 inches.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 06:49 AM) That's pretty funny. And false. Have you been away all summer and missed DeAza's escapades in the field and running the bases?

Danks should have been on the roster from 2014 opening day with DeAza shown the door. We might have won a couple of more games from his defense alone not to mention better base running than DeAza who doesn't have a clue on the base paths.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 07:01 AM) I remember the Sox coming close from moving to Sarasota back in the late 80's. I never want a scare like that again. The White Sox belong in Chicago. Close but no cigar, the Sox almost moved to St. Petersburg, not Sarasota. BTW Sarasota for years (early 60s) was the spring training home of the Sox, Reinsdorf demands Sarasota to build a new complex and a few years later he moves spring training to Arizona. Since I have lived in Florida I was irate with the move. Most retirees in Florida usually settle down near the city of their favorite team from up north. The Naples-Ft. Myers area is heavily populated with Red Sox fans since they train in Ft. Myers, Clearwater has many Phillie fans living there. Sarasota had thousands of Sox fans who were upset like me when JR moved ST to Arizona.

15 games is a huge stretch, that being said Robin should have never been hired in the first place, no experience at all and it doesn't seem like his OJT is working out well.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2014 -> 08:14 PM) Some of these ballparks are too big. FAns want to see offense. That Tyler blast shoulda been a dinger in many parks that are more hitter friendly. If you hit a homer in old Comiskey before they shortened the fences in 1982, you earned it. Talk about a pitchers park.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) The problem is the White Sox fanbase on a whole has more excuses and complaints than any fanbase around. They didn't go supposedly because the seats were the wrong color. So they changed them. Read the guys on WSI and their excuses. Honestly this is true..the video board isn't big enough., the ushers don't smile at them, there isn't enough food options, they changed the song they play in the intro, and these are supposed hard core fans. The other argument was the policy of upper deck ticketholders having no access to the lower deck. They definitely have loosened this on lightly attended games this year, but the WSI guys when it is pointed out on Sundays or for the K-Zone, you now can get a lower deck ticket for $20 or less, then cry the seat location isn't good enough. The White Sox fan will always move the bar. Like you said, 2012 was an example. Winning didn't draw people. Many said they didn't believe in the team and knew they would fade, so much to their relief in late September the team faded and thus apparently showed they didn't deserve the support the entire summer of the White Sox fan. I think the mentality will eventually change. But it is going to take a lot of winning, for a decent period of time. Excellent post, I pray that you are correct.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:06 AM) Been 6 years since they've had a playoff team, people aren't going to come if you dont put a consistent winner on the field. I think Rick is moving the franchise in the right direction, but it's going to take time. That said, I've been to 9 games already this season, so I am doing my part. Yes you are and I commend you.

QUOTE (shakes @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 10:04 AM) If you are such a dedicated fan, and can't make games yourself, maybe you can buy tickets and give them away to increase sales? Nothing more annoying than people complaining about attendance who don't go to games. I get it, you don't live here, but what does this accomplish? The team has found ways to increase revenue and are doing a good job keeping payroll up through this down time. As mentioned, until the season ticket base goes up there will be low attendance. Hey pal, I didn't start this thread so what's the problem with my throwing my 2 cents in. I can't believe how some of you can get so downright personal with other members instead of addressing the problem that the OP brought up.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 08:55 AM) This is true. Remember though this is still a below .500 team. As exciting as fans who follow the team think it is, as a fair weather fan you look and say "it's a losing team, who wants to see that, I'll find something else to do with my limited entertainment dollars" (yes, that's a quote). As someone said earlier, most Sox fans are bandwagon fans. After last year, the numbers won't come back until they are winning and are near a playoff spot. If they are within a few games of the playoffs in August, the attendance will go up. On a side note, I'm going to Colorado this summer. The Last time I went to Colorado in the summer was 2005 so.............. Where were all the bandwagon fans in 2012, we were in first place for 120 days and couldn't even hit the 2 million mark. Attendance has declined on the Southside every year for 6 straight years, first time that has happened in franchise history.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 07:56 AM) Sox fans are bandwagon fans. If you have been a Sox fan, you should know this by now, having living through the lean years of the 70's. Also, who made you judge of who deserves a baseball team or not from your throne in Florida? My throne in Florida? Grow up.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 13, 2014 -> 07:50 AM) From 1953-1983 the Sox averaged more than 20,000 per game twice, so you should be used to seeing such small crowds. Different time and age, in the years of the Go Go Sox, 1,000,000 fans a year was the holy grail and the Sox drew over a million every year from 1951 through 1965 except for 1958. They led the A L in 1960 with 1,640,000. I believe that's the last time we led the A L in attendance.

20,000 to watch Sale go up against Scherzer. Piss poor. Something is seriously wrong up there, a big market team and we are averaging 19,000+ a game. 28th in MLB in attendance. We have a nice team with a great new star in Abreu and one of the best pitchers in MLB, the team does not give up and deserves some support. Right now if I owned the Sox and the stadium contract was up I would move this team to somewhere were it would be appreciated. Chicago does not deserve the White Sox. I want all of you to know that I'm a 68 year old die hard White Sox fan who has lived and died with this team since 1953, I still get up in the middle of the night and check the Sox score on my I Phone and for me the to say this is sacreligious. I know the Sox have addressed some of the pricing issues but Sox fans seem like they have just lost interest in the team. I have lived in Florida for over 20 years but I supported the team the 48 years I lived up there and would still do so, every year when the Sox come to Tampa you will see me at the Trop. I worked evenings when we lived up there but always tried to make one game every home stand. I also belong to another Sox Board and there were 3 threads about last nights game. That's sad coming from a membership of 8,000.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 12, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) I would never, ever go to a game if it were in sw suburbs. I love where sox stadium is. It has 2 major CTA train lines. It is right off of a major highway. It also has metra stops directly along it's route. I understand the criticism of "not enough stuff to do around park" but if it's that the stadium is hard to get to you aren't going to fix that going to the suburbs. I went to my first game at 35th and Shields in 1955 and never had a problem with the location but there are many many in the metro area that do including out of towers. When was the last time that you ran into a visitor to the city on vacation that wanted to go see a Sox game at USCF. Not one of my golf cronies down here in Florida has ever seen a Sox game but quite a few have been to you know where.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 12, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) None of those excuses were relevant for Mother's Day. What was?