The Mighty Mite

I'm not sure if we can count on Burger so I'm for moving Moncada to 3rd with Madrigal taking over at 2nd.

Maybe someone in the FO believes as so many fans do that Ks are just another out.

Of course I knew that. It was 1983 that we drew 2 million for the first time. At one time if a franchise drew 1 million a year it was considered that they very successful. Before the Dodgers moved to LA the only teams to draw 2 million were the Yankees from 1946 to 1950 and the Indians in 1948. Im not quite sure what the point is you're making, that it's OK to be near the bottom of the Majors in attendance for the last 5 or 6 years. I don't know about you but it makes me sick to my stomach. One more point is that maybe the Sox fan base has remained the same the last 40,50, or 60 years ago but as the metro area grew from around 5 million in the 1950s to about 10 million now, it is the Cubs fan base that has grown leaps and bounds, playing in a national landmark in a trendy neighborhood and on everybody's bucket list has certainly helped them.

Lets hope that somehow they can turn this around and the Sox become relevent again in Chicago and the metro area. I don't think Chicago will ever become a Sox town again but if we can draw 2 million a year in average years and close to 3 million when in a pennant race, that would be more than respectable. In the 37 years of the Reinsdorf ownership there have been many mistakes that have led to the erosion of the Sox fan base. Just a few of them; first thing JR and co. did was start mocking Bill Veeck. Then came the introduction of Sportsvision pay TV while the Cubs were airing their games on free tv on WGN. At the same time they let Harry Caray go to the Cubs. After the division title in 1983 we starting hearing that Comiskey Park was in horrible shape, I think it could have been saved much like the old Yankee Stadium was way back in the mid 70s. Then came the move to Florida threat which led to a horrible stadium being built with way too many suites and an upper deck that many refused to sit in. Next up was the White Flag trades. We finally won the Series in 2005 but couldn't even outdraw the Cubs in 05 or 06. There are a few more bad moves but I'll leave it at that but one has to wonder that after all the crap we have gone through that are any Sox fans left at all.

Yeah, but the Cubs own the mega market. The Sox were last of all of the 30 teams in TV viewership in 2018, the Cubs probably own the market with a 75 to 25% edge. It's like the Sox are playing in a market about the size of Milwaukee or Cincinatti. If a new owner came in he would have to ask himself do I want my team playing in front an average of 20,000 or a market where I average over 30,000 with much higher TV ratings and no competition from another team. Another thing is that places like San Antonio and Charlotte are growing at amazing rates while large segments of people have had it with Northern metro areas like Chicago and are tired of horrible weather among other things. I've been a Sox fan since 1952 and it would kill me if the Sox left Chicago, what the Sox need is a new owner with Chicago ties with deep pockets and somehow find a way to build a new stadium with a retractable roof like Miller Park.

I did, thought I was hearing things but not as bad as how Harry Caray butchered things as he was really bad in his later years.

Sox are +360 tonight, someone doesn't like our chances.

You beat me to it, Lane left the Sox around 1957 for the Cards and then the Indians where he traded managers with the Tigers and then traded fan favorite Rocky Colovito to Detroit for Harvey Kueen, Tribe fans went nuts after that trade. The trades after the 1959 season were horrible but Ed Short a few years later made some very good trades which led to the 3 best consecutive Sox seasons in their history, in 63, 64, and 65 the Sox were the best team in the AL winning 94, 98 and 95 games for a 3 year total of 287-199. How I miss those years when we had 17 straight winning seasons and Chicago was a Sox town.

The proof is in the pudding.

First of all, take the pressure off him and put him down at the bottom of the order and keep him there. It also seems like the kid lacks a passion for the game, that's something that probably won't change. I hate to say this because it's still early in his career but the Red Sox might have seen something about him that they felt that he was expendable.

Did anyone really think that these clowns were going to win this game?

Rays announcers saying that the Sox and the rebuild need to start winning otherwise all the young guys will know nothing but losing. I guess they didn't see that the Astros lost over 100 games 3 years in a row before they started to turn it around. Living in Florida I watch the Rays just about every game but their announcers, Staats and Anderson are idiots.

I'm 72 and grew up and long for the good old days of the GO GO SOX era when we outdrew the Cubs between 1951 and 1967 and Chicago was a Sox town.

As we speak the Sox are playing to a .346 winning percentage which would give us a 56-106 year end record which would tie the 1970 team for the worst record in Sox history, with our horrible pitching I say we won't reach the 56 wins and probably end up at 50-112. We still have games with the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs who will show no mercy on us.

Thanks SCCWS, yes it is a nice town and we can be in Orlando in 60 minutes, Tampa and the Gulf Coast in 90 minutes and most important I play all the Golf I want as we live on a golf course, 150-180 rounds a year.

Sorry but I'm sort of new and haven't posted much here, curious was your feeling that of most? As for me I'm not sure.

Here is something that I have thought about, let's say the LaRoche business and the Sale Sissorhands event never happened and the both Sale and Eaton were good Boy Scouts, do the Sox trade them anyway and go with the rebuild?

Only time will tell. Like I said in a previous post in this thread, if we see the same Moncada a year from now there will be some big time cause for concern. Hey, I'm pulling for the guy just like every other player that has put on a Sox uniform since I became a fan in 1952.

The first thing I did when we traded for Moncada was to look at his Minor league stats and said to myself; what's so great about this guy that we traded away the best pitcher in the AL for him. A friend of mine who is a Red Sox fan told me what bothered him was giving up Basabe in the trade to us but not Moncada.

No, whatever happens the worst trade ever was the Cubs trading Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio followed by the A's trading Nellie Fox for Joe Tipton.

He seems to have a really great game once in awhile and we all think he has turned the corner, not sure if he's going to live up to all the hype bestowed on him. One thing is, I'm not wild abut him batting leadoff, bat him 6 or 7. Too early to give up on him, if he's having a hard time a year from now I would say there would be some cause for concern.

That's depressing.

When we moved to Florida in 1993, the Sox were doing well in attendance and it was close to how many In the Metro were Sox fans or Cub fans, it was around 50/50 back then, any guesses to the ratio these days, is it 60/40 in favor of the Cubs or even 66/33? Based on attendance figures lately it's more like 66/33.

I almost hit the ceiling in the front room when the Sox won the AL Pennant on Sept. 22, 1959.

Played Golf in the AM, came home, had lunch and then watched the game on WGN when they were still televising nationwide.