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QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 12:14 AM) I had the Angels feed. They showed his foot hit the bag before LaRoche's. He was out. I'm sorry you don't like the results but it is what it is. I guess I'll take your word for it because no "feed" I saw was conclusive.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 12:06 AM) LaRoche was f***ing out. Ventura should not go out there to argue a blatantly moot point. No off day tomorrow. One more with the Angels. I want the Sox to bleed out, they need talent. Tank the s*** out of this season now! You must have a different camera at home... none of the ones I saw could you tell if the guy's foot was hitting the base.

La Roche needs to retire tomorrow. Go the F*** away What a big ball of dung.

Robin just doesn't have a good feel when to take the pitcher out. He leaves them in too long so often. We didn't lose this game because of Robin... but man he is just not that good.

I think he could be our closer... his stuff is more closer-ish then Robertsons.

So far great... but yeah waaay too early.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) There has to be a little to pitchers being better with certain catchers, but it's hard to imagine it's 2-7 runs a game. Yeah there is something there... but how it could be quantified to make any decisions; hard to imagine. I would agree that Flowers (though these stats don't show this in every case) is a better manager of pitchers. How much or if it really is significant is another matter (though the coaches seem to believe it).

God no.

Hard to make any real conclusions from those stats... Looks like an exercise in randomness.

Let's hope they can salvage one... that game last night was straight brutal.

What's pretty clear from this thread.... The announcers that people like or don't like... it's all personal preference and style choice. It's always been this way... some people love the vanilla robots, some people love the clowns or the pricks.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 09:52 PM) To be fair to Shark the last two teams he faced were the best team in the AL and the hottest team in the NL. Not like he got rocked by Boston and Colorado. 15.43 Era in august... don't care if he is facing the 1927 Yankees.

at the time of the trade deadline he wasn't really doing that great and I'm guessing we weren't getting offered enough.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 06:50 PM) What's he saving his pen for? The offseason? This was Putnam's 3rd appearance in August. Ventura and Cooper have been saving the pen all season. Hahn made some savvy deals in the winter of 2013. Last year, he or Williams or both decided to go all in for "proven veterans" and it was, predictably, a disaster. Unknown to Hahn/Williams, apparently, career years are rarely repeated and players get worse in their 30s. And watch them do some extreme hero-worshiping this offseason...they'll go after some guy who made the NL All Start team - a real hero...the board will be gaga....and he'll be mediocre. Oh you are preaching to the quire with me... I love Robin as some kind of coach but he has been way over his head from day one. He never wanted the job to begin with... now he doesn't want to fail and I don't blame him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 06:57 PM) No way, they hyped him up. They definitely didn't offer him ace money. They weren't offering anyone that kind of money. They were in the destroy and rebuild phase.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 06:53 PM) Only person to ever view him as an ace was Billy Beane And the cubs two years...

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 06:53 PM) Dude, there is no chance of this happening. Scouts love the arm, someone will give up the pick for him a multi-year deal. Eh? Love the Arm. His fastball is 93 ish and his offspeed pitches are floaters. There is no arm at the moment.

I will give Dick Allen some props on this he pointed out earlier that Shark was somewhat fools gold.. really only had one good year.

at this point he is 44-55 with a 4.00 ERA in his career. That's not Ace material for sure...

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 06:45 PM) He's likely to recover to some extent, but while I normally see things pretty optimistically, I really hated the trade we made for him. Not sure how much he could recover from a 5.00 ERA this late in the year... and it's been going up and up.

Danks x5 the pitcher at the moment..

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 06:38 PM) Samardija and LaRoche turned out to be especially bad signings. Hahn does not have a very good track record for judging/bringing in talent so far. I cant really blame Hahn for Shark... everyone thought that guy had balls of iron.. really he just has a bad haircut. LaRocher however...

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 06:36 PM) Another subpar effort from Ventura/Cooper. Madden uses his pen. Ventura/Cooper make damn sure that starter gets 6 and 100+ Ventura loves to leave the starter in to get his brains bashed in. He is trying to save the bullpen... but at what cost.

Thought it might be cathartic for us let our feelings know about this guy. What meat ball tossing fraud... he had myself and many people fooled. If you look at his track history its not all that great. Wow did I have this guy wrong. Get the F*** out of dodge please.

Adam Eaton needs to lay of the F****** pitch down and in. FFS dude But glad we sacrificed for two .230 hitters with running in scoring position.