Bob Sacamano

Starting Pitchers Brett Anderson (32) Chris Archer (31) — $9MM club option with a $1.75MM buyout Jake Arrieta (34) — can opt out of remaining one year and $20MM unless Phillies exercise a two-year, $40MM option Homer Bailey (34) Clay Buchholz (35) Madison Bumgarner (30) Trevor Cahill (32) Andrew Cashner (33) — $10MM vesting/player option Jhoulys Chacin (32) Yu Darvish (33) — can opt out of remaining four years and $81MM Gerrit Cole (29) Marco Estrada (36) Kyle Gibson (32) Gio Gonzalez (34) Cole Hamels (36) Matt Harvey (31) Jeremy Hellickson (33) Felix Hernandez (34) Rich Hill (40) Derek Holland (33) — $6.5MM club option with $500K buyout Corey Kluber (34) — $13.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout Wade LeBlanc (35) — $5MM club option with a $450K buyout Wade Miley (33) Shelby Miller (29) Matt Moore (31) Ivan Nova (33) Jake Odorizzi (30) Martin Perez (29) — $7MM club option with a $500K buyout Michael Pineda (30) Drew Pomeranz (31) Rick Porcello (31) Jose Quintana (31) — $11.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout Clayton Richard (36) Tanner Roark (33) Tyson Ross (33) Hyun-Jin Ryu (33) Ervin Santana (37) Drew Smyly (29) Stephen Strasburg (31) — can opt out of remaining four years and $100MM Julio Teheran (29) — $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout Jason Vargas (37) — $8MM club option with a $2MM buyout Edinson Volquez (36) Michael Wacha (28) Adam Wainwright (38) Zack Wheeler (30) Alex Wood (29) Try to get one of the top tier guys and then make a Rays type move (Morton signing) and overpay a bit for a mid to back-end type of guy on a one year or two year deal.

They were bound to regress. They were almost a .500 team with basically one starting pitcher and a couple relievers . Not exactly a recipe for success.

Welp

Yep. There should still be growing pains with the young guys.

As someone going to the game today, YES!

Yeah the Rays make a lot of great moves, but non-tendering Cron and also DFAing Dickerson (for that matter) were not good ones (though they did work out a trade and moved him). Granted, those were about cutting costs and finding similar/better production for cheap. But back to Abreu, I think the most I'd offer is 1/$8 mill to DH most of the time. He can take it or leave it.

I'm just saying they have options if it becomes an issue where they have too many. Honestly, in the above scenario, you would just have Kopech open in the minors probably.

I'm going to change my guess from doing nothing. If anything, they move Jay and Nova (along with cash) for players to be named later or some struggling but interesting A-ballers or something.

Could always flip Gonzales in the off-season if you end up adding (for example) Cole. Having too many isn't a bad problem.

It's always different for guys in their arb years and non-tendered. You never see those guys sign for more than what their about projected to get if they were tendered a contract and he and the team avoid arbitration by agreeing to a salary.

To be fair, it was a Saturday night and people have other shit to do.

Lol they're not all going to want him...and Abreu is basically begging to stay here.

I mean, they could wait til the offseason too. Would probably get him at a lower rate than signing him now.

A 32-year old with a 4.75 era and 2 months of control? Seems comparable.

Wood has been a guy who can't stay on the mound for a full season. Dude seems to always be hurt. He literally hasn't thrown a pitch this season. Edit: for the first part, I think I mixed him up with someone else. But the second part is true.

I'd be fine taking Greinke on as a salary dump meaning we wouldn't have to give up big pieces of the furure, but Stroman only has a year of control left.

For how much control he has left, last season's success, and how he's been this year, they're probably better off waiting a year.

The Mets are bizarre. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/mets-interested-in-marcus-stroman-exploring-noah-syndergaard-to-padres-deal.html Get out of the middle and commit to a rebuild.

Yeah, I'm good with that too. Maybe not Wood, but someone. Even if it's a one or two year, higher salary deal that other teams with low payroll have to do (Rays and Morton as an example). Just add MLB caliber arms so we don't need to continue shuttling guys down from Triple-A to the Majors.

27, left-handed, under control through the 2023 season. Depending on the price, I can get on board with this (as they do need to add MLB caliber starters to the rotation). Still need to add a top of the rotation arm with him though.

Gotcha. Based on our comments in the other thread, we seem be on the same page in terms of current untouchables.

I dont see him being a headliner in a deal for anything great. Maybe next year at this time.

But what are you willing to give up for higher? I'm thinking that Robert (obviously), Madrigal, and Vaughn are the likely untouchables at the moment.

Right they probably have too high of a price on him to the point where it makes sense for them to hold onto him and see if he bounces back.

That would be great. I saw in another thread here someone said they would give him 3/$45 mill.