Bob Sacamano

You can be effective without firing the ball as hard as you can.

Agreed. I never really expected him to be here very long if he stayed healthy and pitched great, anyway.

Yeah, eventually he will turn it around. I'm torn on if I want him to hit like this every year of his contract or not: It would be nice to not be paying for that type of production. But on the other hand, I don't want Jerry and co let off the hook. Jerry can point at this as a reason to never give out money to star players (not that he needs anymore reasons since he already doesn't anyway).

Right. I'm pretty sure people on here said "we have too many pitching prospects" at one point. There is no such thing.

Agreed. I'm just referring to people saying that you can't really judge a player until he's been a full season removed from surgery. We need him to be good in 21. We can't wait for him to be fully past the surgery and mediocre since there is no additional control after that season. And there should be no thought in anyone's head that we should sign him to an extension. Dude has not proven he can stay healthy.

2 more years of control after this year. So if he has the surgery soon, he comes back second half of next year at the earliest. So then we will have him for a year where we are hoping he can fully adjust to pitching after the surgery. Plenty of people on here give players mulligans their first full year back after a big surgery. That year will be his last year of control.

It was more of a "he's out there now, no one else is guaranteed to be there next off-season (I'll bet on Cole extending with Houston or signing with the Yankees in the off-season)" kind of an idea. Not about this season. But yeah, he'll probably sign with a team trying to win this year.

Seemed like such a great pick at the time, but no one can disagree that he is overall, a bust.

Assuming hes waiting for after the draft, anyone open to a Keuchel signing? This team (going forward) needs someone who can pitch consistently.

Time to check out the waiver wire.

Hes in arbitration now. This is his 5th year in the league. Second year. And idk they probably will tender him a deal.

If that's the case, I'm hoping it was a typo lol

Oops

It's ok. We have the innings eater on the mound next game ?

There's always money in the banana stand.

It's a world I want to live in.

Honestly no one is going to give up much for him.

Funny. I thought the same about you.

Yeah Reed was traded like 6 years before the year you listed (2010).

Nothing come up in the minors to replace Paulie. Possible logjam of corner infielder/DH types in the near future.

Can we combine the two threads?

Why would it be different? It's not. He signed a signing bonus like every other foreign amateur that comes up through a system. Eloy was no different, right? Service time rules still apply here.

Hell of a post right here.

Awesome. Now leave him there the rest of the year, have him open up next year with Charlotte for a final tune-up, then call him up mid-April.

I would prefer to just fill it with young, interesting former spects like Banuelos as well but clearly they thought otherwise. I'm saying if the whole purpose was to grab a veteran to eat innings, Shields on a cheap deal and his (200+ IP) > Nova (161 IP last year).