Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 07:49 AM) Cubs got Anthony Rizzo for Andrew Cashner. After the Sox traded Chris Sale, Jose Quintana and Adam Eaton, they still don't have anyone in their organization that is likely become a player as good as Rizzo. Theo didn't have a young, talented, controllable core like Sale, Quintana and Eaton to build around, so he had to tear down and rebuild and he did an extraordinary job. The Sox have traded away more value than Theo did and the jury is still out on the prospects they got in return. The Sox don't have a stellar record when it comes to developing talent. And what are the odds that whomever the Sox draft in 2018 turns out to be as good a player as Kris Bryant? Would JR be willing to bring in an experienced, highly rated manager? I understand what the Sox are trying to do but by no means are they guaranteed to be as successful as the Cubs, Astros or Royals. Some seem to think that just because it worked for the Cubs it's a sure thing it will turn out as successful for the Sox. It could go either way. It would be a shame if it turns out the Sox exchanged a young, inexpensive, controllable core of Sale, Quintana and Eaton for a decade or more of mediocrity. I would have felt better if the sox were able to trade these guys for top rated prospects with ETAs of 2017 and 2018 and then augment them with good FA signings. Now we'll just have to bear with horrible baseball for a couple of years and wait to see if the Sox organization under Buddy Bell and Chris getz can develop these A level prospects and hope Moncada doesn't turn out to be another Gordon Beckham. I'm not sure anyone is saying this. But it was time for this organization to cleanse itself and rebuild. We're all just happy that there is finally hope. I was burned out watching them "go for it" the past 5 years only for them to finish near the bottom. It was awful. I know I speak for many here when I say that.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 05:50 PM) Done, traded for Drew Smith. Feels like the Sox got a better return for Dan Jennings than the Mets did for Lucas Duda. That blows my mind. Basically what we are looking at in a Melky deal.

That extension seemed premature at the time he signed it. Who knows. The death of his friend could be the reason why it is weighing on him. Phantom injury, 10-day dl stint to go home and clear his head?

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 06:50 AM) Pretty good trade. Jennings wouldn't have much use for us. 1st round pick, had a good year in AAA in 2016 but having a down year this year. Still hasn't seen the majors. Turned 24 in January. I was just looking at his numbers (specifically K% and BB%) and this season's numbers really aren't too far from his career numbers. They're fairly consistent from year to year. Maybe he has hit into some bad luck?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 11:52 PM) Jennings did yeoman work this year. He was over-used but largely effective. Don't get the exuberance for Gilaspie. .667 OPS, another corner player, like most acquisitions and most of the draft.Very little up the middle. Light on pitching. Former top 100 prospect, still 24, former first round draft pick, a guy that could potentially be on the roster early next season (maybe Opening Day if he hits in Spring Training?). Gives us another young position player to watch over the next 2 seasons.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 05:46 AM) Why do posters want Lopez and Giolitto to pitch in Chicago in games they want them to lose? They can pitch well and still lose for one. This is a bad team that will lose a ton of games the remainder the season but still get a few random wins. This is baseball. Two, work with Don Cooper. Three, gain a little more experience at the MLB level. It's not really as black and white as your comment suggests.

If you trade 2 guys and you don't bring up Giolito? Lopez and I guess Holmberg?

Rays "gaining momentum" towards a Duda deal. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/rays...lucas-duda.html

No timeouts for batters either. That was making so mad watching that game yesterday. Pitcher selects his pitch, starts the stretch, batter calls time and steps out.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) If they are the worst team in baseball with Giolito, Lopez, Rodon, Kopech, Moncada and Abreu (not to mention all the close to the majors guys they've acquired in the past month) something is seriously wrong. This is not like the Cubs or Astros, the Sox system is already built. They will add a blue chip guy again next June and after that it's over, there will be no more stockpiling of talent. Next year is a year they should make effort to win in. No use trying to lose while they have cheap years from Abreu and Avi to burn and service clocks ticking on 3 of their 7 or so best prospects. Depends on what year you're talking about. It would be insane to have all these guys come up and dominate right away.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) So true. The next ~15 months of White Sox baseball is going to be really boring. Yeah other than seeing some of the older interesting prospects and Lopez and Giolito and of course Moncada, that's pretty much it. And even they should have their struggles. Kopech I think we will see in 19. Let him build his inning up.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 01:45 PM) I feel like he is being sarcastic Re-reading it now I think you could be right lol having said that, I think Gonzalez at the very least gets moved.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 06:05 PM) Merkin tweeted: Hahn on interest in his starting pitchers: "Huge interest. They better call quick." He said with a smile. Didn't see this yesterday. That's awesome. I can see interest in Gonzalez and even Pelfrey now (don't see them bringing much back, maybe a couple low level 19/20 year olds) as back end guys. Getting anything for Pelfrey would be amazing since Tigers are paying his salary and we all expected nothing out of him.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) Random White sox question : If I buy corner upper upper deck tickets for $5 or $7 dollars, will I be able to move around, say, to an empty seat in the upper upper deck more behind the plate? Or will there be White Sox police stopping me from entering anywhere even tho there will be many empty seats? I used to be able to do this when I'd go to Tampa Bay Ray games in Florida. Buy the cheapest tickets, move all around the stadium (only spot that I couldn't go was near the front front row for obvious reasons). Thanks. You could probably go downstairs and sit behind the dugout...no joke. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 01:25 PM) Supposedlly for games with less than 20k in attendance they aren't checking upper/lower deck tickets. It's 25k and it makes sense. When there is a good crowd, if they let everyone walk on the 100-level, it would be obnoxiously more crowded than it already is.

QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) Prospect wise yes and he probably will be starting once he comes off the DL but who knows Hopefully by that time, Delmonico is just in the majors playing LF post-Melky trade or DHing.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 12:14 PM) While probably a complete pipedream, where would Willie Calhoun play? We do have that Moncada guy over at 2B, and Calhoun is knocking at the doorstep. OF I would guess. Looking at his numbers, I really don't see the Dodgers moving him for Gonzalez and/or Cabrera.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) I do know the Dodgers had a scout at his start vs. the Cubs on Monday when he was stellar specifically looking at him. Source? Not doubting you, I just don't remember seeing this.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:54 AM) Do the Sox control Migo next year as well (via arbitration) or is he a free agent? Free agent.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) I have to imagine Melky is the last piece that should be dealt. Everyone else seems off limits (perhaps Avi, but he is likely more useful to us currently). Gonzalez I think goes. Maybe Holland and/or Pelfrey for PTBNL or cash considerations.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) Same. Granted the padres just unloaded 3 useful players but to the extent the white sox overperformed in the first half it was because of a good bullpen. This bullpen will be the worst i've ever seen, and imo the big reason we underperformed the last 2 years was lack of a truly good bullpen. Add in the fact the rotation is trash and the lineup is awful (no Avi for 2 weeks makes it even worse along with Melky possibly being traded soon), we could get the #1 pick.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:37 AM) You can also sign scrap heap relievers every winter. Some even pan out. This^ they'll sign a couple guys to MLB deals and then a handful of guys to minor league deals.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) I don't get the last few trades, especially the trading of Swarczak and Jennings, where nothing of use came back. I wish the Sox did not trade Kahnle to the Yankees and instead packaged him with Swarzak and/or Jennings to get a better prospect, for example Brinson from the Brewers. You also don't end up with the #30 prospect (Rutherford) without Kahnle. I don't understand why people assume you can package any 2 players and assume the other team has to say yes. "Oh these 2 should equal the value of this guy so that's who they should have been traded for." Sorry, that's not how it works.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) At this point I'll be shocked if we don't get the #1 pick. I think the Phillies underperformed in the first half (and by Baseruns they're 7 games below where they "should" be right now) and with this bullpen we're going to blow a lot of the few leads we're going to have the rest of the season. Giants too I think underperformed.

QUOTE (mac9001 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) It's strange seeing people excited over this kid and so down on Cordell. I personally view Cordell more favorably, but I wonder if people would have felt this kid was an appropriate return for Swarzak? We could very well see both of these guys in the lineup on Opening Day. Gillaspie would have to earn a spot out of Spring Training however.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) @ChuckGarfien 38s39 seconds ago More As for Melky Cabrera, White Sox are willing to eat money in a deal. For them, it's about getting the best possible prospects in return. As it should be.