Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:53 AM) But he's basically the same as Cody Allen! I mean Cody Allen helped the Indians to a division title and AL pennant if the Sox have that kind of guy closing games for them that's probably going to help them win some games, right? He helps them win some games, but the offense and starting rotation being worse will be reasons why he won't pitch ahead often and get saves. Comparing a 2016 Indians to a 2017 White Sox team is a joke.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) Let's stick to the topic instead of going at individual posters guys. I think there's a good debate here. There's credence to the idea that idea that Robertson could never be the same pitcher that got him the contract he has with the Sox and there's even more credence that he rebounds. He didn't lose his velocity last year. He had some outings where everything went wrong. He had some stretches where he didn't have his fastball command in any way. That's the nature of the spontaneous task of relief pitching. When you lack the movement desired on your fastball and you can't locate it you're going to get hit it a bit and have some outings that really mess up your numbers. One thing is clear to me - he is at the lowest value point of his career right now. If his value is even positive (given contract), he's not going to get the White Sox a return of anything to get excited about. Hold this guy. The teams that are looking at their bullpen and listing seven guys and saying "We're set" are going to have a couple injuries. Every team is at basically full strength right now. If Robertson starts his season like he did 2015 he's going to be a commodity in July. He won't be a rental, he'll be ~25% cheaper than he is now and he would have a track record that could give opposing executives a bit more confidence. If you keep and he sucks, you lose a C type prospect. If you hold him and he bounces back, you could pick up a piece or two that could really benefit the organization for years to come. There's no more obvious hold on the team than Robertson. Amen.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) Every single time I try and explain why I think a player, other than established villains like Avisail Garcia, is bad everyone rushes over to call me STUPID for it. If this team is supposed to be so noncompetitive next year then how come all the players are supposed to be so good? You guys watch baseball (I assume) so you know how huge an impact a good closer can have on a team's record. If Robertson really does regain his form, as so many have predicted, the Sox will be winning a lot of one-run games which combined with a couple others things (like huge years from Todd Frazier, Jose Abreu and Brett Lawrie plus the emergence of Rodon as an elite starter...all things predicted by people calling me stupid in THIS THREAD) could make them a competitive team. Hell if all those things happen and they stay mostly healthy they will be a good team. Not necessarily. Even on a bad team, a closer is likely guaranteed 35+ saves about if he closes the whole season injury-free.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:43 AM) Robertson had 4 games in 2016 where he gave up more than 1 run, Allen had 3, including his own KC-esque meltdown against our very own White Sox in August. Robertson allowed a .247 wOBA in high-leverage situations (30 IP) and a .277 wOBA with runners on base. Allen allowed a .306 wOBA (23 IP) in high leverage situations and a .283 wOBA with runners on base. I think Allen is better too, but those numbers don't support your theory that Robertson doesn't have the makeup to be a closer or tends to unravel when he gets into tight situations. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) If a closer gave up a run every five 1 inning appearances, his ERA would be 1.8. Would you consider that stuffling? I think your gut is very wrong here. There's just no point anymore. Better to let him keep complaining and rambling about s*** that isn't true.

At what point do we just start ignoring everything this guy says?

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) If you only look at the AB's where Jose Abreu got a hit he bat a perfect .1000 on the year! Incredible! Robertson is a case where I am 100% comfortable waiting until June to say I told you so. I hope to god its on a different team, even if they want to compete in 2017 (stupid, but whatever) they are better off shipping him out so hopefully that's what happens. I wonder what Rizzo would've added to the Eaton deal if the Sox would've included Robertson and not stuck to the silly "only sell one a piece at a time" mentality that really doesn't make too much sense. Having 12 appearances out of 62 for the season where you give up runs is pretty good I would say. I don't understand what you expect to get for him now instead of waiting considering "how bad he is" (your words).

Looking at the game log from last season, he had 4 games where he gave up more than one run. I see a command trend to this. Before the first game, he hadn't pitched in 5 days. The second time, a week. The third time, 12 days. The fourth and final bad game came after he had pitched the day before though so that's an outlier I suppose. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...p&year=2016 Edit: if he doesn't pitch that one game against KC when it was a blowout, who knows what happens. Also, 16 of his 24 earned runs on the season came in 4 those outings.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) There are players I have faith and there are players I dont. Robertson falls into the second category because he sucks. Wasn't it confirmed that he pitch injured last year? He had surgery pretty much as soon as the season ended.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:27 AM) The OP must have been hitting the Jack or Tito hard. That was one hell of a crazy post. I'm not sold that the Sox front office is completely on board with tearing this thing down to the studs. The "bad apples" are gone and that is it so far. KW and Jerry are still running the show and rebuild is not in their vocabulary. They are a lot of desperate mediocre veterans still looking for a contract and time is running out. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the following signings are announced at SoxFest and/or sometime in early February. Kurt Suzuki - 1 year contract-5.5 million ( Will platoon with either Soto/Navarez) Dude is a sox killer and rakes at Sox Park. Has bad defensive metrics but the Sox front office doesn't seem to care much about that if last years catcher signings were any indication. Ryan Howard- 1 year -6 million base with incentives that could push it over 10 million. (will primarily DH and Spell Abreu at first) Total Kenny signing here. He tried to catch lighting in a bottle last year with Rollins why not try again with Howard? Angel Pagan-1 year 8 million- (will start in Center) It doesn't sound like Tilson is gonna be ready for opening day and may never be the same player after that gruesome hamstring injury. Pagan will give a veteran presence in the outfield. Plus, he has never played in the AL before. KW and company like those kind of FA signings. Jason Hammel- 1 year-12 million- (Slots in as #3 starter behind Q and Rodon) Hammel is getting desperate for a contract and settles on a one year deal to build value. Sox need another righty in starting rotation. Travis Wood- 1 year- 7 million (Slots in as a jack of all trades and an insurance policy for if/when Holland & Shields implode) Wood is getting desperate for a deal as well. Sox sign two ex Cubs pitchers hoping some of the good juju from last year rolls over. 2017 Opening Day Lineup 1) Anderson-SS 2) Pagan-CF 3) Abreu-1B 4) Frazier-3B 5) Cabrera-LF 6) Howard-DH 7) Lawrie-2B 8) Garcia-RF 9) Suzuki-C Starting Roation 1) Q 2) Rodon 3) Hammel 4) Gonzalez 5) Holland/Shields (one is guaranteed to implode ala Danks/Latos last year) Bullpen DRob Jones Putnam Wood Petrickia Jennings Ynoa Covey I have a feeling Gonzalez will implode (or at the very least, not pitch anywhere as well as he did last year).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) I really hope that is true. I hate to think of people like that existing in humanity. Unfortunately, those people are out there. I feel like every day I'm reading a disturbing story about child abuse/killing and animal abuse. Makes me sick.

Resident Evil 7...pretty scary.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) Betting on mild improvements from Abreu/Frazier/Robertson isn't betting on massive performances. They don't need to be MVP-level to gain value. And if you really believe these players are garbage over 30 vets, then they currently have no value anyway and won't do much to help the team win, so holding on to them until the deadline is basically a wash anyway. And as of right now, there really isn't a market for Melky or Frazier. Melky makes most sense for SF, but I don't think management really likes him after 2012.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) I said magically haha As the roster is constructed today, we probably still win 70 games I wasn't referring to your post. It was more towards the guy losing his s*** accusing us of "wanting them to win the division" or whatever hes babbling about.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) If the Sox are magically winning in 2017 then you absolutely run with it and see what happens If we are somehow in first place at the deadline then you certainly reevaluate your plans, but I doubt that will be the case. Far more likely that we are 15 games under We go from Sale to Holland and Eaton's defense in RF to Avi's defense in RF. Whoever replaces Eaton's spot in the lineup isn't going to have as good a year as him. We have holes at C, DH, CF, basically 2B, and RF (and potentially SS if Anderson takes a step back). This team won't be better.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) Buster OlneyVerified account ‏@Buster_ESPN Following More Source: Indians closing in on an agreement with Austin Jackson. Would give them RHed hitting center fielder they've been looking for. Makes sense since they have 3 left-handed hitting OFs. Although they do have Guyer as well.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) I'm just confused as to how you think Frazier/Quintana by themselves are the difference between 75 wins and a potential 120 loss season. Even with Quintana projections have the Sox as the 3rd worst team in baseball at the moment. That might be a bit low considering the impact Moncada/Lopez/Giolito could have when they come up, but I don't think it's far off. This team is bad, and as things stand I'm not sure any other AL team should be considered below us, even the Twins. In the NL I think the Padres, Reds and Brewers are the only teams I'd really put us above right now, but with the relative weakness of the NL I'm not even that confident about it. Oakland has to be below us.

They don't need to trade all of their pieces at one time (at least not the ones signed for only this year).

QUOTE (Dubzinski rules @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) I didn't feel as though Beck had enough potential to take innings away from these others. I'm hoping the rebuild gives the Sox a reason to keep Burdi in a starting role until he fails at it. We won't need him in the MLB pen this year. I should have clarified that Beck will likely be a candidate for a starting or bullpen gig (mop up guy/spot starter) at the MLB level. Also, they can't keep Burdi in a starting role if he was never one to begin with.

QUOTE (Dubzinski rules @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 12:50 PM) As a proponent of "good pitching beats good hitting" I like to forecast the starting pitchers at each minor league level. Many of you follow our minor leagues much closing than I do so please feel free to give us your lists and thoughts. AAA--Giolito/Fulmer/Lopez/Holmberg/Danish AA--Guerrero/Kopech/Adams/Burdi/Stephens Hi A--Martinez/Dunning/Thompson/Lowry/Banks (Cooper?) Lo A--Flores/Hansen/McRee/Comito/Solorzano Is Beck still around or is he a candidate to be a 5th starter or long-reliever role? Also, doubt that Burdi will be a starter.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Melky had a good year last year. Frazier hit 40 hrs. They could be traded for some flyer prospects. They have to decide in July if "some flyer prospects" or the potential compensation pick is going to be the route to go with Frazier.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:33 AM) Lawrie will get injured. He always does. True, but I would expect Moncada to basically play every day at 2B from about June/July through the rest of the remainder of the season. Frazier may or may not get traded in June/July (they could hold onto him and possibly get a comp pick) and even then, they may give playing time to someone like Davidson or Delmonico if either is hitting in the minors.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:28 AM) Saladino. Barring back injury being a forever thing, the guy has surpassed expectations at each turn. I would guess Saladino as well but I just don't see him getting enough regular at bats.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:21 AM) I think the opposite, while there are no indications anything is close, if not's done before friday, I'm out on it happening. Agreed 100%. My own speculation, but I'm betting Soxfest is an unofficial, soft deadline. No talking until another team's GM calls and offers exactly what Hahn wants.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 08:46 AM) I think if guys like Call and Curbelo are top 15 prospects, then this system probably isn't as good as people think it is. It's very top heavy. The next 2 years are very important. Agreed. Which is why I don't think it is too crazy that some analysts may rank us closer in the 10-15 range. Sox have definitely improved their system though.

Rymer Liriano...based on absolutely nothing.