Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (JRL @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 05:36 PM) There was clearly a lot in my post that addressed other common sentiments re the need to trade Quintana now, as opposed to holding until the deadline or through the season, in addition to addressing what you did say. Your contention that Quintana's trade market at the deadline or next offseason is significantly effected by "factoring in next year's free agent market on pitching" could have meant only either/both/some combination of 2 possible things: 1. Teams won't trade as much for him at the deadline , because they can trade for other pending free agent pitchers at the deadline; 2. Teams won't trade as much for him at the deadline or next offseason, because they can sign a pitcher who will be a free agent after 2017 during next offseason. It was unclear which you meant, simply addressed why both of those contentions, don't necessarily hurt Quintana's trade value. You also said that only those teams that have currently been reported with rumored interest in him now would be the only teams possibly interested in him throughout the season and beyond, and that the offers received for Quintana at some point during or after the season would only "be the same at best", so I also addressed why additional teams might become interested in Quintana, and why there is a good possibility that offers received around the deadline, and even possibly next offseason, may well be better than what the Sox are being offered currently, or at least more suitable to the Sox. I am not saying that this will 100% be the case, just that it is a possibility. I have no way of knowing that forsure, and quite frankly, thought they have far more info than we do, neither do the Sox. Their job is to use the far better and more plentiful information that they have compared to us, and do the best they can to determine whether it will or won't likely be the case and determine the best path to take re trading or holding Quintana, and until when, based on that conclusion. But, to claim that "at best" the offers on Quintana will be the same down the road, and therefore it is most likely best to trade him now is not sound. It's certainly one possibility, but it's at best an equally likely possibility as them doing better down the road. Fyi, I'm not advocating they trade him now just that we might be looking at the best offers now. Hopefully July brings us some surprise contenders if they end up not trading him now. Granted all the teams can't put together a competitive enough offer to trade for him. Ideally, Yankees are playing well going into July.

QUOTE (JRL @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 04:46 PM) a) who are all these pitchers that will be available at the deadline? To be fair, I never said there would be a lot of guys available at the deadline and never suggested they'd get less trading him then than now. Sucks you typed all that thinking I did. I said "if they don't trade him by the trade deadline."

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) Yes sir. 2017 is the first year of the 5/35M extension he signed. Starling Marte contract is also great. Edit: you sure you didn't mean 7? He's signed for 7 more years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 03:58 PM) Scary thing? Polanco will still be under contract when Vlad Jr is 24-25. He's signed for that long? Edit: Holy s***, just checked. Why did he do that to himself lol I mean, it's good to take the guaranteed money but he will be a free agent after his age 31 season. Second edit: they bought out 3 years of free agency for him. Good for them.

QUOTE (RegionSox @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) I just saw on Twitter that Abbatacola is going to be the full time update anchor for Bernstein and Goff. So he's replacing Rongey?

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) Probably not, unless acquiring Vlad Jr. makes them more comfortable trading Meadows to the Sox. Yeah I don't see the connection. By the time he is ready to make an impact, I'm pretty Polanco and Marte would be traded/left via free agency by that time.

QUOTE (Whitesoxa6 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) Heard that the pirates could be targeting Vlad Jr. In a McCutchen-Jays swap. Not sure if he would really move the needle on a potential Q package though Where did you see this? And yeah he seems like he would be too far away too make an impact on any deal that could involve closer to ready MLB prospects from getting dealt.

QUOTE (OklahomaBrave @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 03:29 PM) I generally assumed that they have multiple offers that would be sufficient. At this point I believe they are really just trying to hold out for additional talent and weighing The offers. I feel like this could be the case but who really knows.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) If it does just keep him for the 4 years Yeah if he's here past the trade deadline, factoring in next year's free agent market on pitching, I feel like there's a chance we may not see better offers than we are receiving now. Edit: I guess he would still make sense as an option for the current teams still in on him like the Astros and Pirates. But offers would possibly be the same at best.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) With the new rules, isnt this next July 2nd period a hard cap? You might be correct. I'll look later.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) Or skip it altogether and save money to make a run at Otani. Depends on when he comes over. He may wait it out until he isn't a restricted free agent and when that happens, it won't matter if we went over our bonus pool because he wouldn't counts towards that.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) Am I the only one who hates Judge, thinks he's nearly guaranteed to bust, and thinks that the likelihood of him busting only increases if he joins the White Sox organization? Honestly, I'd prefer Andujar to him. QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) I am not a Judge fan really. I'd prefer Rutherford as a third piece in a Yankees deal I see mlb pitches eating Judge's 6'7" 275 lb strike zone alive, resulting in loads of strikeouts I would take the deal due to getting Torres and Frazier back. Judge would be a guy we could start in the OF right away and see if he can hit, but the other 2 would be the prizes in the proposed deal (though I think very unlikely).

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) I am not a Judge fan really. I'd prefer Rutherford as a third piece in a Yankees deal I don't see New York being willing to deal Torres + Frazier + Judge/Rutherford/Mateo/Kaprellian/Sheffield for Quintana though I see mlb pitches eating Judge's 6'7" 275 lb strike zone alive, resulting in loads of strikeouts I doubt they would be willing to deal Torres and Frazier in one deal honestly.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) It's largely due to how expensive free agency has gotten Cheap seasons of young major league talent is very valuable vs. shelling out in free agency Many will disagree, but I tend to side on the proven major league talent almost always being superior in value to prospects. Quintana is a proven a well above average mlb starting pitcher, and his 4 seasons of control warrant 3 elite prospects True.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/12/chicago-...x-three-trades/ What do you guys think about these proposals? Sox Asking price for Quintana is currently "3 Elite Prospects" = Yankees: Frazier (OF), Torres (SS), and Judge (OF) Pirates: Glasnow (RHP), Meadows (OF), and Diaz © Astros: Reed (1B), Martes (RHP), and Tucker (OF) Rockies: Rodgers (SS/2B), Jeff Hoffman (RHP), and Tapia (OF) Todd Frazier Athletics: Holmes (RHP) and Chapman (3B) Braves: Sean Newcomb (LHP) and Kolby Allard (LHP) I don't see either of these deals as being realistic for one season of Frazier Abreu to the Rockies Rockies: Riley Pint (RHP) and Tom Murphy © I don't love that deal for the White Sox. Thoughts? I really love that Rockies, Pirates and Yankees one for Q. I would probably take either of those deals for Frazier. Probably no on the Abreu one.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) It is somewhat annoying that there are not many stupid organizations left in Baseball. 10 years ago some team like the brewers would be inexplicably involved because "you need an ace" Yeah it sucks that so many teams value their top prospects so much more now. Before it seemed like you would see so many blockbuster trades around the trade deadline and during winter meetings.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) I think the Goff pairing will last another decade. If Matty was given/took the opportunity I wouldnt be so sure. Although I really like Matt and enjoy when he is on I dont get the sense that the majority of listeners do too. It sucks for Matt though, he has paid his dues to at least get a shot even if it fails. I agree. I enjoy when Matt is covering for someone (although, that may just be because I wasn't a Terry fan).

QUOTE (pablo @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) Anyone know the defensive abilities of Albies vs Anderson? Could be plausible to have Albies at SS, Moncada at 2B and Anderson in CF. Anderson looked very good at SS, don't get me wrong. But just a thought. And it's always possible that Anderson or Moncada turns into a dud over the next couple seasons. It doesn't hurt to have many guys who can cover the same position. Another point to my post above haha

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) This post needs all the stars. And honestly, it's part of the problem with getting something done with Atlanta. If you get something done with Albies as the position player headliner, then you almost have to move Moncada off of 2B right away. Albies doesn't seem to be that far away since he hit AAA last year, and Anderson is locked in at SS for the foreseeable future. It doesn't make sense to drill Moncada at 2B to then effectively block Albies - the prize of the Q trade... There's no issues with Moncada having to switch positions, guys. I agree to not switch him and have him play different spots over the course of the season but there is no issue with him working in the off-season to play another position if they decide after a 2 full years or so, he can't handle it. If a team's best prospect was also a 2B or SS and they were being offered in a deal, I wouldn't say no just because we have a guy here who can already play that position. That is stupid.

They might as well go all out next signing period.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) I would love to get an offensive monster type production out of second base as long as he can be at least average defensively. You move him to 3rd or center, it drops his offensive value down a notch in my book. While I agree, his bat may be good enough to play anywhere though.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 10:16 AM) Would hate to move Moncada to third. He is pretty vocal about strongly preferring second base. Whatever works for the team I am sure he would be OK with though. Confirmed. He did say he would do what's best for the team.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 09:32 AM) We have sifted through the Astros / Yankees / Red Sox / Nationals / Braves / Pirates / Mets / Rangers / Cubs / Dodgers / Blue Jays farms in discussing trades this offseason. Am I leaving any out haha? Rockies

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 12, 2017 -> 08:54 AM) Or move out of Chicago, try to get a gig in another city, and work your way back to Chicago, kind of like that Perkins guy did. Or never make it back to Chicago. Tough when there are so few opportunities. Goff did the same thing and seems to have worked out well for him.

Today is the day we get a concrete tweet from Nightengale/Rosenthal/Hayes about the Braves interest. And then we proceed to speculate and talk about that for about 5 days. I base that first sentence off nothing.