Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) I think Giants will sell Melancon for sure. I think they will only end up selling the guys with (close to) expiring contracts. Then look to add again in free agency.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 09:23 AM) The next three days will be tell tale signs to both cub and Brewers. I hope Billy Beane makes the cubs pay through the nose for Gray. The cubs will probably just take on Verlander's whole deal and give up a nothing prospect along with Avila. Apparently the Tigers want a team to take on Verlander's contract and send over 3 good prospects. Of course, that's where I would start with negotiations and ultimately, I think it's more of a salary dump with a good prospect and a couple alright prospects.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) Greg may be smarter than you all think or the best troll ever. It seems the only reason most people won't put him on ignore is because the temptation to respond to his posts is too great. It makes you feel smarter ( not you per se, all those who do respond to him). He is the most responded to and notorious member of Soxtalk. You can make brilliant observations and outstanding analysis but purposely being "off" gets you far more attention and responses. I've tried to put someone on "ignore" before. You still see that the person posts so you can't really fully ignore them.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 08:10 AM) Robertson, Kahnle, & cash for Soto & Kieboom. I'd drive both to the airport if that is an option.

QUOTE (coco1997 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) Lewis Brinson would look great in a White Sox uniform. Hmmm they seem to have other young OFs producing and could keep Phillips as well. And Braun is still holding down a spot through 21.

I want Gray or another available starter to go to the Cubs just because I think it is unlikely they would both reach a deal together anyway. So might as well take out an unlikely option.

Gray gets traded but I'm not sure where. Cubs?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 07:51 PM) Dude, just give it up. You're impossible to deal with. Seriously it's becoming unbearable. Well it already was.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Lopez and Collins missing...presumably Top 51-100. Fulmer out of the Top 100. Dunning added (presumably). Not sure what to make of Burdi exactly, but relievers usually aren't ranked anyway. Really sucks that this was a "if we are competing in August/September this season, we want him in our pen" type of pick. If they had committed to rebuilding at the time of the draft, I'm sure someone else would have been picked.

Finished Silicon Valley last night. Disappointing ending for TJ Miller (Erlich).

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) OK SoxTalkers, help me out. The newest Planet of the Apes movie is coming out, and I am seeing lots of positive reviews. I've never seen any of them (other than the very old school original), because I can't get my head around the idea of liking what seems just so silly. Are these actually good movies? Do I need to see earlier ones for the more recent ones to sink in? I enjoy them. While you probably don't have to watch the first 2 to see this one but you might as well. I enjoyed both of them.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 01:25 PM) OK. I guess he projects to earn decent to good money in free agency since that appears to be what you are saying. The Sox can't just keep him for scraps I guess. They can trade him and then try to re-sign him in the off-season if they really wanted to.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) All I'm saying is his numbers project well as a catcher, really no where else at this time. He also has a good arm. Do you guys deny all these observations? If he keeps this progression up, he'll be a tad worse than Lexi's career, which I guess is still OK. Lexi was reliable. If Moncada and Anderson are as bad defensively as they appear to be, the Sox could be weak up the middle defensively when they have an MLB big-league roster again. The numbers you project here?: QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 11:10 PM) Defensively he's a disaster at ss. I'd send him down, teach him to take pitches and see if he can become a catcher. I'd take .260, 19 homers, 79 ribbies which appear to be his ceilings, at the catcher position. I would take that production at a few places other spots as well. Or somewhere where it makes sense for him: CF.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) My question to you is: Do you really believe these players we mention have a chance of being something on your next competitive team? Is a guy like this going to earn squat in free agency anyway? I guess deep down the goal is to lose so many games there's no doubt who gets the No. 1 overall pick cause you guys certainly want to get rid of anybody with a pulse. It will be funny watching Nate Jones close next season. I can buy your premise if the guys we get for Swarzak have a chance to help a contending team someday but I severely doubt that.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 01:02 PM) Why trade guys who have no trade value? Bodies? Sox need a couple closer candidates this year and next or they'll win even fewer than Hawk's coveted 60 games. Nate Jones is NO CLOSER. I don't think the draftniks want the sox to lose 115 games but maybe they do. THEY. ARE. REBUILDING.

.313 avg now.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) 100%. If Kahnle can go 13/15 in saves in August in September and finish with FIP and K numbers anywhere near where they are now he's a serious asset going into the offseason. Rabbit, Now that the "Trade Winds" forum is open, you have tidbits for us? haha

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) yes, he really made it sound like talks were dead because of the ownership veto of the previous deal. Yeah and the fact that Robertson's value has increased.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) Yah, he said they hadn't talked in awhile. But I take all that stuff with a grain of salt. Minimum, I want to see Kieboom + Luzardo. But I bet Ricky is still asking for Soto +, and he should be (for now). I'm starting to think other pieces in our pen like Swarzak are a better fit for them from us.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) I'd be pretty disappointed with Ward and Luzardo at this point. Same. I assume they could do better but I don't think it'll be the Nationals' top guys. Like I said above, if I were working for the Nats, I would target more control if I had to deal away top guys for help. Wasn't it Olney recently who said he thinks a deal between the 2 probably won't happen? Where else could Robertson potentially go? Yankees? Rangers if they start heating up over the next 3 weeks? Dodgers just to add another big piece (similar to the Cubs last year)?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 11:19 AM) True, but I hope it's not the Sox asking for one of those 2 because it's not realistic and not happening. Probably close to the original deal agreed upon this off-season but with more salary relief for the Sox (eating less/no money) thus, making it a better deal.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) If teams want Robles/Soto, I could see why the Nats are aiming higher than Robertson. Good point. Cheaper and controllable through 21. I know if I'm trading my top guys, I want more control than 1 year and 2 months.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) 100%. There is no way Todd Frazier is a White Sox on August 1. Agreed. Even if the best offer isn't great, you gotta pull the trigger. For the sake of getting anything back and opening a spot for someone else on the roster.

It makes sense to trade him for anything by 7/31 than let him go for nothing other than salary relief in the weeks after.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 06:51 AM) So where are some legitimate fits for these 2? Frazier: Red Sox Melky: I would have said Jays before but they appear to be selling. Same with Giants.