Bob Sacamano

I get the positives of him being injured, but we need him healthy and producing to trade him away for other controllable pieces.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 07:36 AM) I truly hope you are right. While I do love the trade from our standpoint, the three arms are obviously question marks, I don't think it's as one-sided as the media made it out to be. I get Eaton is below average in CF, but I believe Werth is a free agent after this year so Eaton can shift over to left.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 09:25 PM) Considering the problems the Sox have had at the catcher position, I would welcome the idea of having too much talent at the position. If for some reason Severino sticks as an everyday catcher, Collins could be moved to 1B. Not like the Sox have any quality 1B prospects anyway and Abreu should be the DH if he's still with the Sox by the time Collins is ready. I'm not saying Collins won't stick at catcher but I'm not going to assume he will either. Passing on Severino because they already have Collins would be a bad idea and judging by the latest rumor, Hahn would agree. If a trade happened before the season started, you'd also have 2 years basically to evaluate Severino.

What an awful beard...if you can call it that.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) I absolutely love that the other day Renteria canceled the intrasquad games to do more drills on fundamentals. That was after watching them do drills the day before. Maybe he saw how bad they looked? In any case, it drives me crazy when guys make fundamental errors. Physical errors will happen (errors of commission) but I drilled my kids on not having mental errors (or errors of omission). The team never really looked prepared coming out of Spring Training under Robin (last year, I think they put more focus on fundamentals to try to change that though).

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) I'm straddling the fence right now. Half of me says take the trade straight up to get Jones into the closers role now and trade Jones in July. The other half of me thinks the Sox should hold out in hope of Robertson having a good first half to get even more for him in July, then plug Jones into the closers role and trade him for a haul next winter. The latter is more risky but has more potential for a higher return. Glad I'm not Rick Hahn. Jones will still be valuable with 3.5+ years of control left. You can hold onto Robertson for the first few months and trade him. Jones could also be pitching very well and could be moved around then. Or he stays as closer the rest of the season and is moved in the off-season or traded deadline of 2018.

Speigs and Parkins seem to have better chemistry. His "S's" still really piss me off though lol

If the best they can do right now is Severino for Robertson straight up (not saying that is the case but just throwing out there), then wait. It's not like that offer wouldn't be possible in June/July.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) I'd only consider Severino for Robertson if the Nationals ate the entire remaining contract Even then, I don't love the deal and think we should look to get more out of the Nationals Yeah either Robertson (and cash if you have to) for Severino and 2 other pieces or Robertson (eat no money in this deal) for Norris and 3 other pieces (2 position players and a pitcher). I'm just tossing a couple ideas out there.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) Wouldn't this just result in the "unintentional" intentional walk instead? Yes.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) What they should have done is an IBB equals two bases instead of one. If you really are afraid of someone then they deserve to get to second or just pitch to them. If you want to walk them the regular way you can still pitch around them but it wont be as easy as 4 simple toss outs. Most of the time it isn't that the pitcher is afraid to face someone though. It's usually done to set up a double play and get 2 outs.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) Why do you not? He had a horrible year at 3B and at the plate. The Sox spent all winter trying to trade at 2/3 the price, and literally no one wanted him. Unless both his bat and glove take a large step forward this year, he really isn't worth much. The predictors really don't mean anything here. I agree that he doesn't have a ton of value. I think similar to what we gave up for him at most is what we're looking at. However, I wouldn't say "no one wanted him." There really are no teams that need a 3B (yet) so it's not like teams were signing or trading for other guys instead of Frazier. Dodgers were the only team linked and that was more of an emergency in case they couldn't sign Turner (who had no market at all himself and was never linked to another team).

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 08:55 AM) Nats have interest in David Robertson but unclear if they'll move soon or wait to scout Robertson on Team USA. Nothing seems imminent. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/834412439852584962 I kinda figure nothing would happen on the trade front with Robertson in the WBC. When that's over, they can deal for him and he can just meet up with his team in Florida as opposed to meeting up with the Sox in between.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 06:13 AM) People are really complaining they don't get to see 4 balls thrown for an intentional walk because once every few years someone actually hits the ball? In the grand scheme it won't save much time, I think they said 35 seconds on average, but it isn't exactly eliminating a can't be missed situation. This has been the rule in HS and college for years. Yeah I don't mind this. It's a start. Like I said above, limit the amount of times catchers and managers can go to the mound.

Limit the amount of times a catcher and manager can go out to mound. That would cut out a lot of time.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) They have no reason to give up a very talented prospect unless the player they are getting is younger and/or under team control for a while. Todd Frazier does not fit that bill. If Sandoval falters, they'll have interest in Frazier, but they're not spending a lot on him. I am not following your logic. The Red Sox are in it to win it this year. Why would they want an unproven third basemen like Devers on a team like that instead of a guy like Frazier that could be a monster in Fenway? Also, Dombrowski has never been shy to spend money when he thinks hsi team is getting close to a championship run. "Devers is probably a 60 FV type is worth well more than Todd Frazier." This is not like trading baseball cards or making trades in the abstract based on statistics alone. Who would you want at third base in the playoffs or World Series? Devers of Frazier? That is the context. No circumstance where they trade Devers for Frazier. And thats a terrible comparison. One guy is a prospect (a top one at that) and one is in the MLB. That doesn't mean they have trade Devers to acquire Frazier. Of course you'd rathe have Frazier right now lol

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) Would you put up an offer in the $17.5 to 18 million dollar range to Todd Frazier? Would also depend on how his market looks as well.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) I've seen an excessive number of Cubs clothing items today and it's bugging me. I've seen a lot downtown. Maybe it's the weather. Edit: baseball stuff in general.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) Nick Confardo of the Boston Globe mentioned that the Red Sox would be a good landing spot for Frazier. I'm not sure Rafael Devers would be what the Sox are looking for, since they have Zack Collins who might project better and the Sox could also potentially be in play for Severino from the Nationals. Devers isn't a catcher and no way would he be on the table in a deal for Frazier. And I think they're saying if Pablo doesn't pan out at third and they want someone other than Brock Holt.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) Jayson Stark @jaysonst 32s A team that has been talking with the White Sox says they've been waiting for Nats to sign Wieters to rekindle David Robertson trade talks I want to know who this other team is that the Sox are talking to is dammit!

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:45 AM) Derek Norris? I don't see how he fits what the Sox are doing at all. Is he a good pitch framer? He could actually be a solid buy-low, bounce-back candidate. He was awful last year though. Don't really want him in a deal for Robertson unless it's to help offset some money and we end up getting 2-3 non-catching prospects in a deal.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) Jayson Stark @jaysonst 32s A team that has been talking with the White Sox says they've been waiting for Nats to sign Wieters to rekindle David Robertson trade talks Interesting.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Who says no? WAS receives: David Robertson CWS receives: Pedro Severino, plus one of Jose Marmolejos-Diaz or Rafael Bautista A comment on MLBtr suggested Severino and Sheldon Neuse. He's a second round 2016 pick who played SS and 3B. That's all I know about Neuse.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) I've never heard of Diaz or Bautista, so I hope the Sox would say no unless I just need to educate myself on the Nationals system. Probably this. It's not like we're pro-scouts or know about every player the first time we see a name. I looked them up myself.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) There's no chance he comes over under these rules IMO. While I don't think so either, it's still possible. Otherwise, we won't see him here for about what, 3-4 years?