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QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) And you really thought there wouldn't be a meltdown I'll admit it, that was naïve.

Well this board sounds like it's going to be a fun place this year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 08:44 PM) 6-125 for Upton. Yeah Sox aren't touching that for Cespedes Pretty reasonable deal for Upton.

Well Tigers will be tougher the next two years but after that they're completely f***ed.

With Upton to Detroit I don't see any other teams besides maybe the Angels that could pay him what he reportedly wants.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 04:44 PM) Respectfully disagree You're probably right, but it'll depend on the amount/length and team. 4/80 with the Tigers? Complete meltdown. 6/150 with the Angels? Disappointment, but understanding why we wouldn't go that high.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) He has my vote as pick to click for leader of the "Sox lost out on Cespedes" meltdown I'm not sure there will be that much of a site meltdown at this point. It seems like mostly everyone has given up hope by now.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 18, 2016 -> 04:22 PM) In this day and age where we dont see as many power hitting sluggers across the league I would have to ask him why he wouldnt put Cespedes in the category of the great hitters. I guess it all depends on what this guy considers "great" but look around, you dont see guys putting up huge offensive numbers anymore. If it werent for the popularity of sabermetrics that we have now there would be a lot of small boring numbers for fans to argue about. Cespedes is in the bottom part of the top tier offensive guys in the league in my opinion. 47th in wRC+ (121) since he came into the league. That's not good enough to be considered "great".

Pollock has had one elite season to date, he shouldn't be above McCutchen or Cain until he shows he can do it again.

Why are people freaking out about the Tiger tweets? We already knew they were in on Cespedes, it's not new information. And to claim we're at budget seems strange, because why would we have spent weeks in negotiations with these guys if that were the case? I have no doubt we'll get someone to replace Avi.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 08:03 PM) Signs this week. Signing will be large. If teams are suddenly willing to give into his demands after all this time, why haven't we heard anything about Upton? It seems like teams would be more willing to throw money at him compared to Cespedes. I don't buy these new tweets at all. 10 teams? Laughable. Unless they're including everyone interested on a 1 year deal.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2016 -> 08:03 PM) Signs this week. Signing will be large. What constitutes "large"?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:57 PM) I never understood the whole 4 teams in 2 years thing. 2 teams weren't in contention and didn't need him so the try to get something back for him. The A's traded him to get that big game pitcher which didn't work. You could tell after the A's traded him the team wasnt the same offensively and didn't have as much energy. The Mets get him and he helps them run to the world series. Agreed, it's a completely overblown "red flag".

I just don't see how someone (not necessarily us) doesn't trump the Mets' offer, it seems so weak. And Cespedes doesn't strike me as a guy willing to take a discount with a better offer on the table. I don't buy the Mets.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) Because WAR SHMORE. I doubt front offices pay much attention to the stat. I get what you're saying but Davis & Cespedes are hard players to compare and using WAR would make it even more difficult. Cespedes will probly get a bunch of money too. You really think front offices don't look at WAR?

If the Mets won't go higher than 3/60 that should be easy to beat.

So Cespedes could potentially end up getting the exact same deal Samardzija got. Raise your hand if you thought that was possible at the beginning of the offseason.

I would be pretty surprised if he signed for less than $20 million AAV, but if no one else offers that 5th year perhaps 5/90 would look enticing enough for him.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 05:46 PM) Whats them other sites. Orioles: http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/for.../2-Orioles-Talk Mets: http://www.metsparadise.com/forum/4-new-york-mets-forum/ Tigers: http://www.motownsports.com/forums/detroit-tigers/ Those are the main three I've been looking at the past few days.

I've pretty much moved on already, but out of boredom I've been reading message boards of other teams. There's not one team linked to him whose fans are at all confident they'll sign him (a few Tiger hopefuls but most still think it's unlikely). I just checked the Orioles again and they all think this offer is merely to put pressure on Davis, and that they won't be able to sign him because supposedly they're unwilling to offer opt outs. I honestly have no idea where he'll end up.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 04:37 PM) Every steamer projection I've seen for players projects a lower than usual defensive rating. Yeah projections in general shouldn't be taken too seriously, but defensive projections especially should be taken with a large grain of salt.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 04:29 PM) How can a DH cost you runs on defense? He isn't even out there. Someone must have done a retrospective study and came up with this number to make the math work. I don't understand it fully, but here's Dave Cameron's explanation: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/position-adjustments/

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 04:31 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=&players=0 I don't see -8 anywhere. Look at his 2016 Steamer projection http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 14, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) The 1B ratings seem way off. Nearly every 1B has a horrible rating. It's the positional adjustments. Every 1B starts off with -12.5 runs on defense, so Rizzo at -8.9 means he rated out positively for the position. I believe these are the adjustments, but many say they are too extreme (which means C, SS, 2B and 3B might be overvalued, while LF, RF, 1B and DH are undervalued): Catcher: +12.5 runs (all are per 162 defensive games) Shortstop: +7.5 runs Second Base: +2.5 runs Third Base: +2.5 runs Center Field: +2.5 runs Left Field: -7.5 runs Right Field: -7.5 runs First Base: -12.5 runs Designated Hitter: -17.5 runs

At this point, how much longer do we wait on Cespedes before signing Fowler? You don't want to lose out on both of them.