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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jan 30, 2016 -> 09:07 AM) Not sure I would be stunned. The good thing for Anderson is that Saladino is not a proven MLB starter at SS. So if Anderson has a great spring and Saladino has a poor spring, a big decision would face Hahn and Ventura. If neither has a good spring, then they may have to go out and get a 1 year rental. I doubt spring training is going to affect the decision much, Saladino gets it either way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 02:54 PM) JJ Stankevitz ‏@JJStankevitz 2m2 minutes ago Chicago, IL Robin Ventura jokes on Adam LaRoche: "Sabermetrics show he has a good year every other year." #WhiteSox #SoxFest2016 Maybe he can be Alex Rios 2.0? Rios was awful in 2009 and 2011 (overshadowed by Dunn that year, but 2011 Rios was somehow even worse than 2015 LaRoche), but great in 2010 and 2012.

I never believed it from the beginning. It never made any sense, and as Hahn pointed out it's not like the White Sox have a history of reluctance to go longer than 3 years.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) I also don't like it because it is a rigid 3 ER or less, 6+ IP. It has always been those numbers despite what the league ERA is that year. A 4.50 ERA in the late '90s to early '00s was pretty good. Now it's pretty bad. I think the stat should be adjusted to something resembling what the NHL considers a quality start for a goalie. A goalie gets a quality start if his save percentage is higher in that game the league's average for the season in games in which he faced 20 or more shots and has to be higher than 88.5% in games he faced less than 20 shots. Baseball could go to something similar to that. Keep the 6 inning minimum as I think that is a good number. But give the pitcher a quality start only if their runs allowed per nine (earned or unearned) are less than the league's average that year. That way the parameters for a quality start move along with the quality of pitching in the league. The better the pitching, the better you have to pitch to receive a quality start. If they went to something like this Danks would have about 5 less quality starts last year. I agree with you, I'm not a staunch defender of quality starts as a stat by any means, it was just a quick and easy way to disprove the notion that Danks was "worthless" in 80% of his starts last year. In 16 of his 30 starts, he went at least 5 2/3 innings, and gave up 3 runs (earned or unearned) or fewer. Is that great? No, but if you could guarantee me that he could do that again this year I'd probably take it, assuming the other 14 aren't all complete meltdowns.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) From Wikipedia, here are some examples of why the quality start stat is worthless In July 2000, Mark Mulder went 6 2/3 innings, gave up 15 hits and nine runs — but only two were earned, so that was classified as a quality start. In June 1997, Randy Johnson struck out 19 in a complete game but allowed four runs. That was not a quality start. In July 1982, Mike Scott allowed seven hits and walked five in six innings, did not strike out anybody, gave up seven runs, but only three of those were earned. Quality start. In April 1974, Gaylord Perry went 15 innings and allowed four runs. Not a quality start Fair enough, though a quick check of Danks' game log shows that none of his quality starts involved any unearned runs.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) If we're going for the "anything is better than Avi" route Jennings is fine I guess, but if he wasn't a former top prospect would anybody care? He's 29 with over 2,000 AB's...don't think any light is going to come on. Especially in this franchise where hitting talent goes to die. I'd rather just keep Petricka honestly, guys who can play a good LF and barely maintain a .700 OPS aren't that hard to find. I think it's more people are viewing him as a guy who will likely put up similar production to AJax but is much cheaper. If we trade for Jennings we can still sign a Desmond or Latos, but signing Jackson means another move is probably unlikely (I agree with DA that he'll probably be more expensive than a lot of people think).

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) Worthless was an overstatement. Been seeing too much Donald Trump in the media I guess. Buehrle had 19 quality starts and pitched like garbage for the last few months of the season. No one's arguing that Buehrle was better than Danks last year. The question is who would be better this year.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) Quality starts are dumb. Quality starts are also a fine way to show whether or not a guy was "worthless in 80% of his starts." That was what I was getting at. Sure a 6 IP 3 ER start is a 4.50 ERA, but even so the worst possible "quality" start is far from worthless.

I don't know how anyone can have Machado lower than #2. He's even younger than Bryant too.

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) Danks was worthless in 80% of his starts. 15 of his 30 starts were quality starts, and 1 of those other 15 he went 5 2/3 IP and gave up just 1 run against a pretty good Yankee lineup. But sure.

3B is such a deep position in the league right now. That's a great top 10.

We have the bullpen depth to make the trade, and Jennings' salary is low enough that we could still make another move.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 05:57 PM) Well the Sox wouldn't sit Dunn against lefties, wouldn't sit Laroche until the very end. So I wouldn't count on that. I think this false narrative that you keep pushing might even be more annoying than your hero one. As pointed out, Dunn was good against lefties in 2012, and he platooned with Konerko in 2014 so your first point is false. LaRoche was platooned once a legit platoon partner appeared (Thompson), which was two months before the end of the season. Before Trayce came up, all the other options sucked as much as LaRoche did. Are you really upset that Beckham or Bonifacio didn't get more playing time early on in the season (and no, before you bring up Soto again, he wasn't a legitimate option)? Conor saw basically no time against LHP last year, and this year we have a catcher platoon that have clear LHP/RHP splits. This idea that Robin doesn't know how/refuses to platoon is bulls***.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 05:36 PM) It's looking like they completely misjudged the market on the big 3 outfielders. Without knowing our offers on the Big 3 I'm withholding strong criticism there (if the Sox had better offers then the Mets/Royals not much could have been done), but if they don't have a backup plan they deserve to be crucified.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 03:35 PM) Do you remember how difficult of a time Gillaspie had with plantar fasciitis? It's even more risky for an outfielder and likely why the Rockies signed Parra and traded Dickerson. Quentin had a rough time with it as well.

That minor league pitcher better be pretty good, what are the Rockies doing.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) Agreed, and I know I've said this elsewhere, but I'm not that concerned about stacking up with draft picks right now. If the Sox decide to blow it up in a year or so, Sale/Q can restock the system immediately. Rather see what this core of players can do with another above average player on the roster. I agree. If the Sox flop again this year, then with next offseason's extremely thin SP market the Sox should be able to get a couple Shelby Miller-type packages and instantly make the farm look pretty good.

If it involves Dickerson then you can pretty much call off the potential Soler to Rays trade that fathom posted about, meaning Fowler to the Cubs would look far less likely. EDIT: There it is.

Looks like they deleted it, unless it's just not showing up for me.

So Latos gets at least $10-12 million, right?

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) And why does he keep bringing up Desmond? 180 strikeouts and 20plus errors a year for a team that already has too many strikeouts and errors is insane. Desmond is poster child for what's wrong with us. His name should not even be mentioned in the same sentence with the SOX. PERIOD! 19 teams struck out more than the White Sox did in 2015.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 11:44 AM) Damn. To not even have a beat guy from ESPN for Sox baseball kind of sucks in a way. Not that they gave any huge insight but the fact that Sox interest and journalism in general reaching new lows all the time. Not that ESPN Chicago was necessarily guilty of this, but I go back and forth all the time whether I want more or less Sox coverage from the media (especially locally). On one hand I get annoyed that the Sox get little to no attention, but on the other hand the little attention they do get is often accompanied by snark or needless comparisons to the Cubs (we can't just be our own entity), and that just annoys me further.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) Speaking of outfielders, Jermaine Dye and Magglio Ordonez both turn 42 today. If you're older than them, you're old, but if you're younger than them, you're young. That's what I tell my wife. I'm not sure whether I'd rather have them right now as the RF or Avi...

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) I'd keep Eaton leading off due to Fowler's higher K rate, and probably hit LaWhiff 7th. Either way I like this lineup and can see it scoring a lot of runs. I've always hated the "LaDunn" nickname but I like this one.

If we're willing to take on almost the entire salary, he should cost less than we what gave up for Lawrie.