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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 11, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/01/05/whats-he-...des-free-agency At this point there's no way Cespedes gets close to the $150 million that the article suggests teams should offer.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 10, 2016 -> 10:11 AM) http://m.mlb.com/news/article/161318068/op...utfielders-left Mystery teams would have to be Blue Jays now or Red Sox if they trade Castillo or Bradley, Jr. Marlins added in case they trade Ozuna. "White Sox: They've never committed more than $68 million (Jose Abreu's contract) to a free agent. They also have no interest in going beyond three years for Upton or Cespedes. Given these market conditions, you can understand the White Sox patience, though the three-year max was probably what kept them from swiping Gordon from a division rival. It would be a surprise if the Sox don't do something between now and Spring Training, because their win-now mindset gives them incentive to supplant Avisail Garcia in right field." After reading up on it more I don't consider the Blue Jays a threat anymore. They have 4 OF, and all indications are that they're at their budget limit already (projections have them at about $145 million).

FWIW, I read this comment from a Blue Jays fan on Reddit: "Can't see the Jays going after an outfielder (or another position player for that matter). They are pretty much set with Saunders, Pompey, Pillar and Bautista this year. For the years after 2016 you got Alford coming up, DJ Davis if he can get it together, and Vlady jr. of course."

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) Samardzija wasn't injured though, he under performed. I do agree with you though, injury is also part of the risk and a good point. That was my point. Samardzija greatly underperformed but still got a major payday. Compare that to Span, whose injury cost him a lot more money.

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) I'm shocked Yeah the Sox should be offering him an enormous contract like all those other teams are. Oh wait...

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) I think it's a gamble with a double edged sword. On one side, if Upton performs as usual then he should hit paydirt next winter but if he under-performs he lowers his value. I'm probably in the minority on this but I don't have interest in Upton for a 1 year deal, he either accepts a 3/4 year deal or f*** him and move on to someone else. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Upton in a Sox uni, just not for merely one season. There's just too many options available to give into his demands, he can either meet the Sox half way or he can piss off. The risk is more with injury than underperforming, just look at Samardzija.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:13 AM) Article says Sox offered Upton a short-term deal http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14531913...-larry-reynolds I'm curious if lowball means number of years, AAV or both.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) I saw the other article yesterday and it was based on no facts or rumors and just where each would fit the best It also says we would lose our 2nd round pick instead of the comp pick, hard to take these opinion pieces seriously when they can't even get the facts straight.

Yeah I'm coming around to the idea of them being a threat. Watch them shock everyone and sign Davis. All the homeruns.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:13 PM) I wouldn't be so certain. Bautista and Encarnacion are free agents after this seasn. Eh, they'd still be better served going after a pitcher with any money they have.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 05:56 PM) Makes me think the Sox are sitting pretty well. If Detroit is our biggest competition for Cespedes, I like our chances of beating them.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:40 PM) Not if it's a simple Parra to Rockies, Cargo to Cardinals. That would actually be bad for the Sox, as Parra is more likely a possibility for Nats/Angels Still takes the Cardinals out of the running at least

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) The 18 and 1/2 million a year for someone who is not known to perform well outside of mile high. No prospects and 18 million cash coming back to the sox . How many times can the sox make the same mistake and still expect different results. The Sox traded for a high profile Colorado OF in the past that failed? News to me.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 02:57 PM) So Upton has gone from being uninterested in playing for the Sox to intrigued, now? When was it said that Upton was uninterested?

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) Are they not always in the mix for a playoff spot? And don't the Pats win it all every few years? He was making an even year joke.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 01:59 PM) CarGo makes sense in that he will be the least expensive option is younger than Cespedes, plays RF, and fits in the three year window that the Sox supposedly do not want to surpass. I imagine a package would be built around Anderson and Fulmer to get the deal done with some other pieces thrown in there. What makes you think the Sox would give up more for CarGo than they did for Frazier when Frazier's younger, has been the better player for the last two seasons, doesn't have the health concerns that CarGo does and will cost $25 million less than CarGo over the next two seasons?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) Not only the contract but also the injury concern. I can see trying for Q of its the other 2 outfielders but not cargo Hard to imagine they could even get a similar package to what Frazier went for, considering Frazier had considerable more trade value than CarGo does right now given the relative salaries, injury histories and current OF market. That asking price is going to have to come way down.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) Yes. That the Angels (and WAS) are even in on these guys makes it seem like they are only in on YC/JU if the price comes back to their neighborhood. Definitely the case with the Angels imo. Let's say this all happens: LAA signs Parra STL trades for Cargo BAL signs Davis Wonder what the market for Cespedes would look like at that point.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) Rockies being aggressive with Parra, Nationals & Angels also in the mix Angels getting him would be huge for us.

I can see some being a bit surprised at the number of years, but what were people expecting Span to sign for? If he was a FA last year he would have been in line for a huge payday, and the injury this year suppressed his cost, but the upside he has when healthy means it wasn't going to suppress it down THAT much.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) It's got to drive it up in some regard imo, or at very least it doesn't help the Sox position. Any healthy FA outfielder now makes the obvious argument that if Span gets that much guaranteed in $$ and years, then I deserve more as in theory I give you a more dependable chance at success. Meh, with the Giants out they have less leverage now, that has a much bigger impact. And $10-11 million is really not that much, at least not enough to really move the needle, I wasn't expecting Span to sign for $6-8 million per year.

Effective CF might be stretching it, he's not a very good defender.

I don't see this as driving the market higher at all. Span when healthy has been a 3-4 WAR player, and he still put up 1.4 WAR in just 61 games last year. $31 million over 3 years is a drop in the bucket to most MLB teams these days, and even if he just repeats last year's production he'll easily live up to that contract.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) If Upton signs a one year deal before Cespedes signs, that could really put the Sox into a bind as it will put teams interested in Upton back into the Cespedes market. Which teams are interested in Upton that aren't also interested in Cespedes?

How much would it take for a 1-year deal? $30 million?