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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 24, 2006 -> 06:20 PM) I got a 84"X 53" Thomas the train set which includes 7 motorized engines adn something like 150 pieces for only $50 at WMT. It was way over half price. Picked up a Phil Ochs CD for $10. Picked up a book for my brother at over 50% off. Picked up some exercise materials for myself at a big discount. Picked up an AJP jersey at an original $90 marked down to $56.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 24, 2006 -> 08:06 AM) It appears there are two camps here, the first is the anyone who uses the "n-word" is a racist, and those that believe when in a heated argument a person will grab the words that would hurt the most, regardless of their feelings about race, sexual identity, etc. I'm in the "hurt the most" camp. Telling that heckler their mom dresses them funny would not have shut them up. Richard's felt he had to go to the top of the list, the most vile, insulting thing he could think of. That would be something the person has no control over, his race, looks, size, etc. Everyone here knows the worse insults we could toss at someone. To claim that in your worse moments, your most enraged, you wouldn't reach back and grab those words, would make you either a Saint or you are fooling yourself. I agree he was wrong, a poor comic, an even worse apologist, but to label him a racist, which implies a systematic, long held belief, based on this one instance, isn't fair. QFGDMFT.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 23, 2006 -> 04:58 PM) If I were Vince, I'd get mad at the writers for coming up with horses*** storylines that can't even keep the workers awake. But that would mean holding Stephanie accountable, and that just ain't happening. THAT DAMN DX! The E is more into merch sales than it is into interesting storylines that keep the fans interested. Hell, they can give us s***ty storylines as long as the in-ring action makes up for it (Dreamer/Raven in ECW anyone? s***ty story as to why they feuded but the action was solid) It's too bad the E has neither at this point. And from the Wrestling Observer... Stephanie McMahon has declared former Tough Enough contestant Daniel Rodimer as being "the next big thing" and she wants him to start on RAW by January at the earliest. And when he does come up, she wants "something big for him." Internally, according to people who have seen him or worked with him, everyone believes (besides Stephanie) that even a January 2008 call-up would be pushing it for him. Rodimer has only been wrestling since August. Nonetheless, he has the look that WWE loves, moreso than anyone else in developmental, and perhaps some people already in WWE. Rodimer is 6-6 and nearly 300 pounds. The company wanted Rodimer to win the 2004 Tough Enough, but he didn't do much in the competition besides look big and cocky. Also, his promos weren't too good and he didn't stand out in the competitions, which is why he was eliminated fairly quickly. Although, he does have an athletic background as he played college football at the University of South Florida, but was not a star there. Regarding his work in DSW, he gets over in personality there, but his matches haven't gotten over too well - and DSW is considered to be the "easy level." Then again, he just started last August.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 23, 2006 -> 07:24 PM) n***** is more demeaning because of this Country's history with slaves and the whole civil rights issues from the 1960's. c*** isn't that common of a word, has not appeared in print as much as "n*****," and does not refer to a race that makes up a good precentage of our population. c*** refers to a vagina. I don't know of any vaginas that marched through the streets demanding not to be referenced in that kind of way. The comedians you listed are nowhere near the popularity level of Richards, and your post about them using comments towards minorities, people with mental handicaps doesn't make it clear if they were talking to a specific heckler, or they were just doing a stand up bit about a person or group of people that may exist. I really want your thought on people who go to wrestling shows and chant "you f***ed up," "boring," or call wrestlers by their real names and ask about their divorces. Do you have a probelm with them? Do they have no right to complain because WWE didn't "force the people to buy tickets?" People don't force them to buy tickets, you are correct. Given the current product of the E seen on television, I can't figure out why anybody in their right mind would purchase a ticket. Too much emphasis is given to the mentality behind this Homer Simpson quote: "Marge, this ticket doesn't just give me a seat. It also gives me the right, no, the duty, to make a complete ass of myself." If they really hated the product they'd either a. not buy a ticket in the first place or b. talk to management and make it known that they were not satisfied with the product if they did buy a ticket. And oh yeah, plenty of women have marched throughout history in protest of derrogatory terms for them and unequal treatment given to them.

Doug Stanhope weighs in on the Michael Richards issue (bolded portion for emphasis): If you haven't seen the Michael Richards snapping-on-black-people video, check it out here -http://pdl.stream.aol.com/aol/us/aolentertainment/30mz/2006_11/1120_richards_2_dl.mov. I'll defend him. Michael Richards - aka Kramer - is a s***ty stand-up comic. f***ing awful. I've seen him live at the Improv in LA years ago and was at the Aspen Comedy Festival eaves-dropping when he was trying to bail out of the event for that same reason. He was s***ting his pants and asking to drop out because he isn't a funny stand-up or a stand-up at all. That was coming from his own mouth. (They convinced him to stay and he may as well have as the Aspen crowds are no more an authentic audience than he is a stand-up.) So watching the tape as opposed to hearing about it second-hand, I can see it from a comic's point of view. Sure, he was really pissed off at the hecklers. When you're pissed off at someone, you say s*** to piss them off in return. You say whatever you think will hurt them, no matter your own. You call a fat person a pig or a short guy a midget (unless they are a midget, then you call em an elf). Your own mother might be fat or your father short. That's neither here nor there. You need not have any distaste for whores to call a woman a whore if you're fighting with her and know she'll react poorly. Calling someone a cocksucker in the heat of battle doesn't mean that you don't yourself often enjoy the warm and humbling feeling of a knotty cock rafting down your throat. Let the black person who is innocent of saying something hurtful to someone who is acting like a s***head cast the first stone. If you are trained to believe that 'n*****' is somehow worse than other words, I'd question your logic by calling you an "idiot." You can see that Richards was trying to qualify the fact that its just a word by cartoonishly repeating it, then saying "see what's buried beneath your soul" in response to the reaction and later by defeatedly trying to point out how words still hold shock value but it was too late and far too out of control. He was f***ed, no matter how he thought he might save himself. His first problem lies in that he was angry. You ain't gonna pull that s*** off angry, especially as a segue from black hecklers you just called 'n*****s'. Not even the best, much less Kramer. Next problem is you ain't gonna pull it off at the Laugh Factory on the best of nights. There is a reason that so many truely awful, hackneyed and trite comics thrive on that stage and that's because the audiences are legendary dunce-capped maroons. They are culled from the sea of low-riding Hondas that cruise the Sunset Strip. They are the dull and empty vessels that crowd food courts in malls and put pictures of people they f***ed on HotOrNot and judge their own self-worth by the ranking. You're hard-pressed to find a more vapid audience anywhere on any given night in America than at the Laugh Factory. Low-brow intellects in high-dollar sneakers. Of the they will never "get it" on any level higher than American Pie. Last and most important problem - Michael Richards sucks at stand-up. Even if he hadn't called anybody any type of racial slur but simply tried to make the point that the word 'n*****' still shocks people - without the finger-pointing or the hostile crowd - it still wouldn't have been funny unless he were slipping on a banana peel while running into Jerry's apartment - and then you'd still have to write it out for him. But I'll still take his side. As far as I'm concerned, yelling at someone that they aren't funny while they are onstage is more offensive than calling someone a n*****. That's because I am a comic and have no history of being black. So, like you, I can only tell you what would bother me. And you can call me a n***** all day, just don't yell out that I'm not funny when I'm onstage.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 23, 2006 -> 06:47 PM) Any specific examples? Were any of them as famous as Michael Richards? Did these events happened at the same time with the age of the internet? Somebody always has a camera and there are sites that billions of people have access to that host videos so it's much easier for events like these to get attention. I watched the video you posted earlier, and that guy didn't use any racial slurs. He just called her a c*** a ton of times and it reminded me of Geogre Carlin (like you previously mentioned) calling out a heckler. They both do the same thing. They insult the crap out the person using general insults that aren't specific to a race or sex or religion and get the audience on their side to turn on the heckler. Richards sees on guy heckling him, and immediately insults him due to the color of his skin. This obviously offends and shocks audience members (you can hear the gasps,) and eventually the crowd turns on him by walking out. Nobody was laughing. Like I said before, if the internet and pocket cameras were around during that time, there would be more people reacting to those events like this one. You're right that nobody forced then to buy the tickets, or even attend the event, but as a paying customer for anything, you have a right to complain if it doesn't meet up to your expectations. One way is to voice your opinion right on the spot, of course that can be selfish and rude because you are interrupting the other paying audience members experience. If the heckler didn't like the act, he should have just got up and left, let the management know about the expierence, write a letter, or wait until the event is over and express yourself then. Using your logic you have no right to chant "you f***ed up" or "boring" at wrestling events because "nobody forced you to buy the tickets." Am I the only one who thinks you're way f***ing off base with that thought? Portable camcorders + Internet + washed up actor/comedian + using racial slurs = huge f***ing deal. Unless all African Americans are offended by any use of the "N-word," I also think it's silly to say he was offending "all African Americans." So how is it a white kid dressing up as an Indian doing dances at halftime is offense to all those Native Americans of the Illiniwek tribe, yet a white guy using a racial slur to attack somebody isnt? Oh right, I forgot about the childish "he started it" argument. :double rolly c*** is a very offensive word for most women and find it very demeaning. I fail to see the difference between one slur being more damaging than another. As for comics that use dangerous slurs in their acts recently, look no further than Doug Stanhope, Andy Andrist, Sean Rouse amongst others. Plenty of them have used very offensive slurs and offensive comments towards minorities, people with mental handicaps, etc. yet nobody raises any pseudoutrage. The club should not ban any word and if those blacks yelling want to stop use of the “n-word”, they can start with the black comedians that use it as a staple in their routines. Nobody ever talks about the trashy black racist comedians, that trash whites in their skits and even to white people’s faces in comedy clubs across America. And as for the Chief reference, there's more important stuff for the UIUC to deal with like the Coke and Colombia issues, the lack of mid-size lectures, the fact that some of the LAS buildings don't meet fire code, etc.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 23, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) This is really reminding me of the Pacers-Pistons brawl with some people blaming the cup throwing fan for everything. I don't think people are defending the hecklers for being jerks, but the fact is these are things professional have to deal with. I'm all guessing a comic is less likely to have hacklers if his/her material doesn't suck. It also wouldn't hurt for a comic to act appropriately, like not using a racial slur that is used to attack a large group of people on one person, when dealing with these types of morons. Richards and Artest weren't the victims. Actually people have been defending the hecklers. Plenty of comics with solid material have been heckled (see the Bill Hicks "I have a c*** and I'm drunk" tirade he threw at a heckler) Other comics have used slurs and insults to deal with hecklers and there was never any PC "pseudoutrage" about that. Comics have for ages routinely lambasted the crowd, especially hecklers and nothing was said for those thousands of times it's been done before. Nobody forced these people to buy the tickets. Nobody forced them to sit through the set when they didn't like it. Nobody forced them to open their mouths and start talking s***. As I've said before in this thread, if this is a lesser known comic we're not even having this conversation because people wouldn't care. This whole idea that he offended "all African Americans" is absolutely laughable. If you're uncomfortable with certain language being thrown around, the envelope being pushed and unpopular thought being uttered -- try not going to a comedy club. QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 23, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) There's been this discussion before on the word "n*****" and other "really bad slurs" compared to "redneck," or "hillbilly." IMO an insult like "honkee" or "cracker" doesn't have the history like "n*****." Also, who is saying that it was ok for the guy to call him a "cracker" but was wrong for Kramer calling him "n*****?" I saw one person make the point that Michael started it, but to me that doesn't make it PC for the heckler to call insult him with a racial insult. LCR, do you have a problems with hecklers at baseball games? I suppose a couple years ago it would have been OK for Craig Monroe to stop patrolling LF, turn around, call me a "honkee" 20 times or so and make a scene because I was asking him to sign my belt and he if he had a receipt??? Yeah right. Oh I forgot, baseball isn't an "art" like stand-up. :rolly I'd have no problem with any professional giving a heckler s*** if that heckler earned that s***storm being given.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 23, 2006 -> 05:01 PM) I was going to say the same things. So comics should get a free pass even if their material sucks? Please. Listen closer to the audio at the end. Doesn't that big "Kramer" fan say "all you had was Seinfield?" Nobody bought tickets to see the hecklers. You don't show up to a concert, pull out your guitar and say "Hey, [insert your favorite artist whose concert you'd attend] watch this!" and start playing your guitar. If the hecklers didn't want to get blasted then they keep their f***ing mouths shut. If you don't like what was said how about leaving? Or getting a drink, taking a piss and coming back when there is another comic on stage? Gee, that would be a logical idea. But no, let's give hecklers a free pass. None of you would like hecklers at your job yet you seem to think it is okay to have them for this man's job. And he was ignorant for saying n***** but the "oppressed" hecklers were not ignorant for calling him a "cracker"? I'm just trying to get my PC thought process correct here.

The going story for Sabu getting squashed at Raw by UUUUUUUUUMAGA is that he has shown up to work late and recently fell asleep at a show -- which management thought was offensive to other workers.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 22, 2006 -> 07:02 AM) HA! Nice! I'm sorry, I know the Joe Tribe is behind him all the way, but I just don't see anything special in him. He's not terrible, I just find him ordinary. Like a bloated, taller Scott Norton. And did you actually LIKE last Monday's Raw??? From the opening clusterf*** segment, to the Umaga squash of Sabu, to the poor Spirit Squad kid having to job to the 60-year-old, 86% body fat Dusty Rhodes to the "bag over her head" women's match (wrong woman wore the bag, by the way), to the Monday Nitro-esque "all hands on deck" sloppy run-in finish, it was just unbearable to me. I couldn't even find any morbid humor in it, that's how badly it sat with me. He's got more charisma than Norton and works an effective strong style in the US. It's a kind of refreshing style of wrestling when compared to the "safe" style of the E and the spot-fest style that is getting heavily promoted in TNA etc. And as for last week's Raw, I didn't even watch because I figured it'd be crap. Looks like my premonition was right.

Critic, there's just one thing to say to your Joe apathy and your dislike of the recent Raw. DAMN.

What is your stance on the continuation of the War on Drugs? What is your stance on the placement of marijuana as a Schedule I drug? Should it be legalized? If so, how? As a teacher, I'm really interested in this one. What is your stance on standardized testing across the boards for schools as seen in No Child Left Behind? Do you think that there are alternatives to NCLB that would be better? If so, what? What is your stance on initiatives like Safe Games Illinois where legislators attempt to censor video games, music and movies?

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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 10:10 PM) And for reference, I am one of Carlos Mencia's biggest fans. People who don't like his comedy are the real racists. Listen to what he says, but before you do, knock down that wall you have that completely disregards and racial issues that are talked about, and really, REALLY listen to what he says. I dare anyone to tell me he's wrong. Mencia's act is okay but I've heard the same stuff done better by other people (Pryor, Carlin, Bruce, Cross, Rock, Chappelle, etc.) I laugh at times at Mencia's jokes, I just don't like being able to see where the joke is going to go very easily in advance. There's no real twist that takes a comical observation to something outright gutbusting laughable -- which the other comics who have hit the material have been able to do. /runs off to listen to his Unbookables CD "Morbid Obscenity" again: www.morbidobscenity.com

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 09:03 PM) Okay riddle me this batman... I was on a flight to Jakarta about 7 years ago, where I was one of the few Americans on the plane, and one of the few non-muslims on board. Now I dont remember people jumping up to perform prayer. In fact, outside of the bumpy flight and the strange looks from some of the people on the plane the flight was okay. Now lets flash ahead to the year after that. I am on a bird flying to Dubai not real happy about the situation, now some of the faithful are on the plane. A young man and his father performing the Haj. How do I know this, because they explained to me all about how they were doing it. They were from the UK, well at least the son was born there. Now again, they didnt jump to attention, or do anything that these super muslims did on a flight in the US. Now shockingly in all of the information we see from the 9/11 hijackings, the attackers all jumped up at the same time, recited some arabic and then took the plane. I find it ironic that with some muslims performing Haj, and going to the worlds largest Muslim country none of the folks did what these guys did. Why is that. Some are more fundie and others more moderate. The Hajj is mandatory for anybody who follows the religion and has the means to make the trip at least once in their life. Following the Hajj doesn't mean, necessarily, that they are extremely rigid in their religious practices.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 06:17 PM) But, but, but, white people have been so advantaged over the years! Black people have been beaten down and enslaved for centuries. It's ok for them to do things like that. It's just them 'getting even.' Seriously though, I think it's all BS. I think this country is a bunch of whiny PC panzies. EVERYONE has a prejudice. Racism is just a prejudice taken too far. It's not right, it shouldn't be condoned, but why are we making such a huge deal out of it? By any chance does anyone listen to Opie and Anthony in the morning? Great show, 105.9 fm in the morn here in Chicago. Anyway they had Patrice Oneal, a big black comedian that often jokes about race ('white people are so crazy...') and it's role in todays society. I completely agree with his assessment of the entire Richards incident. Basically he didn't mind it. He, like me, thought that ass*oles being ass*oles deserved to be treated like an ass*ole. He said he got a call from other comedians who performed at the same place, right after Richards, who said that the hecklers were well known for being ass*oles and they were trying to ruin shows for a long time. Further he went on to 'blame' white people for this entire incident. He said he didn't think too many black people really cared about this, not only because they didn't know who Richards was, but also that it's not as big of a deal to black people as white people make it out to be. Basically his point was that he hopes for the day when he can be called a racist because that will finally make everyone equal. Instead of considering an incident such as this racist, why not just call Richards an ass*ole for doing it? So what that he used a bad word or that he attacked someones ethnicity. Would it make it better if he called him a retard? A child abuser? A sexual deviant? Would he have to go on Letterman to apologize for it? Obviously the answer is a big no. Call Richards an ass*ole. Making him out to be the worst person ever is just ridiculous. Wow, seriously? I don't think anyone is approving his actions. Most people don't see the severity of it when so many other people do the same types of things with little to no response. Ignorant boobs like you who are so far out of touch with reality make me sick. I guess I'll meet you in the bathroom. Hell, a friend of mine at her job -- she disciplined a student because he was continuously talking in class without stopping despite numerous warnings.. As a result, the mother wrote a long e-mail about how she is going to the news and to the administration that the teacher is a racist (along with things like "You must think this is before Civil Rights time and just because my boy is black that he has to shut his mouth" among other gems) So, a lot of this being offended that is going around really is just a really lame whining excuse. As Jenks said -- if he calls him something else or if he is a lesser known comic, nobody is even having this discussion. It's just for white people to assuage their guilt.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 01:53 AM) This post has been edited by the Soxtalk staff to remove objectionable material. Soxtalk encourages a free discussion between its members, but does not allow personal attacks, threats, graphic sexual material, nudity, or any other materials judged offensive by the Administrators and Moderators. Thank you. A cunning move by a cunning linguist. A person who supports free speech must therefore be a racist. The chasm in your logic is so immense that it makes the Grand Canyon look like a small crack in the sidewalk. Comics have said and do say much worse (i.e. Lenny Bruce's "How to Entertain Your Colored Friends at Parties" etc.), yet nobody says anything in protest. The people know buying a ticket to standup comedy means that they'll likely hear certain words and ideas that make them uncomfortable. Instead of whining and b****ing, how about they go take a piss, get a drink and then come back at another point in the set that they might like. This is so much manufactured outrage, it is so absolutely laughable. If this is a lesser known comic, we're not even having this discussion. It is just because it's "Kramer" and everybody has type-cast him as that and nobody expects him to use risque and vulgar language. Sorry, but if the audience did not want to be blasted by the artist, then they should have shut the f*** up during the show. They treat comedy like an adult Chuck E Cheez instead of an art form. The f***ers thought the audience was there to see them and got blasted for it. George Carlin once told an audience where there was a heckler "Can somebody just put a dick in his mouth because that's what he really wants!" Should he be blasted on the national media for insulting the gay lobby? He should be forced to come on TV and apologize for his words and unpopular thought! He must step in line. And to take another line from Carlin, I saw a lot of films about conformity and rooting out all unpopular thought like Jeckle here is suggesting. They're kind of old -- from the 1930s. Unfortunately, I couldn't understand them because the narration is in German. And oh yes, the classicly hilarious Bill Hicks bit from Chicago where he blasts the Hell out of a woman trying to ruin his set. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 12:55 AM) Are you serious?? Richards is lucky he wasn't beaten to death on the stage, as the crowd cheered. And his apology on Letterman and the fake crying was pathetic, I'd respect him more if he admitted he was a racist ass b****, which he obviously is based on the venom in that video. Comics have said lots of things. If you believe what is said on stage as literal truth, then I've got some beachfront property in the middle of a landlocked state to sell you.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) Have to admit, I didn't expect this reaction from you. If Richards uttered the word one or two times, on accident, perhaps it could have been passed as an accidental outburst. But he continued on WAY too long. Heckling does not excuse that type of tirade. Also, I'm not offended by anything he said -- but it's obvious he went way beyond the limits of addressing a heckler. It's a word. It's just a word. They knew the envelope gets pushed at a true comedy show. Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware. If they didn't want to hear it then they could shut the f*** up at the show and not be douchebags.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 11:15 PM) I've watched the video and read the apology and I'm confused. That tirade was aimed at a black man who may or may not have been heckling him from the audience????!!! Richards is lucky to be alive. Is he Jewish? All this outrage -- It's a testimony to how whiny or society is now. The CNN vid that he "offended all people" is f***ing hilarious. People went to see the Kramer character and they got the man Michael Richards. Because of that, people heckled and he gave them whatfor that he wasn't going to be some dumb cymbal playing monkey that you put quarters into and he performs whatever they want to see rather than what is on his mind. I have no problem in him telling them what he thought of them for being f***ing idiots. QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 11:20 PM) You fail to see the outrage? I could see your point is their weren't any racial slurs involved but come on.... If you were in downtown Gary and you started ranting that s*** you'd be either shot, stabbed, or have your ass kicked... There's a difference between that and buying tickets to a standup show where you know the envelope gets pushed, harsh language gets used and colorful terms/lewd analogies come into play all the time -- like paint on a canvas in a verbal and intellectual art form. When people treat comedy like an adult Chuck E Cheez, this is what results. They can't handle the man not being "Kramer" and so they heckled like f***ing idiots. He let them have it. I fail to see the outrage. If he was a lesser known comic, we're not having this conversation. It's a situation to garner pseudo-outrage and support a pro-censorship, free speech chilling movement all because some jackass heckler got his feelings hurt for being a douchebag and getting it thrown back at him.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 09:26 PM) like I said...I would yell out "holy @#$@#...why are you doing that?" instead of some leftist politic bulls***. When you spill a cup that's full to the brim, what spills out is very telling of what the vessel was filled with in the beginning. He was a political activist, plain and simple. He disobeyed individuals who #1 had the authority to do what they were doing #2 he knew he was in the wrong. "no aggressive action" is political rhetoric to the core and meaningless. What happens if you don't have your license during a normal traffic stop? You could get a ticket or sent to jail. What happens if you give the cop crap and refuse to show him your license? He's probably gonna put your ass up against the car and hall you in. However, in this case, your a punk college student (I'm picturing LCR) and the cop is a campus cop. I'd taser him too. Good to know you'd taser me. And you think you're gonna get votes! As for cops, I support them on an individual basis like most everybody.

That's what happens when you treat comedy as an adult Chuck E Cheez instead of an art form. If you heckle, prepared to be heckled back to an insane degree. This is no worse than Hicks' Chicago "I have a c*** and I'm drunk, I can do anything I want!" incident. I fail to see the outrage about what he said. People came into the show, acted like ignorant jackasses to throw off his set and ruin the evening (Nobody paid to go see the asshats in the crowd starting s***) and he gave them whatfor. Nobody forced anybody to be there and nobody forced any of the people to listen to what he had to say...and most importantly, nobody forced the hecklers to be total jackasses.

UCLA's interim chancellor, Norman Abrams, cautioned the public against jumping to conclusions before a university investigation is completed. "It would be best if everyone, within and without the university, would withhold judgment pending review of the matter," Abrams said in a written statement. Check and mate.

Brian Pillman: Loose Cannon DVD is pretty damn entertaining. Just got it today. The matches were good and the character was pretty damn entertaining. And Critic, check out some of Joe's stuff in ROH (i.e. Punk/Joe etc.) and you'll see why he's seen as pretty damn good.

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QUOTE(SoxFan76 @ Nov 14, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) Last night's Raw was maybe the 5th or 6th I've seen in the last 8 months. But that stuff with DX and the bounty was hilarious. You crapped a masterpiece? That's pure 12 year old comedic gold! Which coincidentally is right down my alley! Sure, it can't compare to what Raw was 5 years ago, but this is what we got, so I guess I'll make the most of it. Women's matches, I'm sorry, but they could never happen again and I wouldn't be that upset. Roddy Piper needs to never come back as well unless he's strictly doing Piper's Pit segments. Ric Flair needs to stricly be in a managerial role, Crime Time has the look--but I've never seen them wrestle. Big Show needs to drop about 100 pounds right now. He looks horrendous. Viscera needs to never be on television again. But to talk about the positives, Orton is a bad ass. He's got that look where you just want to punch him in the face. You KNOW he's a dick behind the scenes, and it comes off on screen as well. He could become one of the greatest heels of all time if they use him properly. Unfortunately, I wasn't lying. He truly is a dick head behind the scenes, and that could be his downfall. Edge is still a bad ass. Enough said. And Mickie James is freakin hot. Show's just about done. His back is so bad that he is really thinking of being done. He's dropping the strap at December to Dismember most likely. Cryme Time is entertaining but it's really just polishing a turd -- kinda like Johnny Nitro. I still can't care about the character. And Viscera has one half of the best line ever on a Raw (in regards to why they both attacked Lillian Garcia) Viscera: Oh we can explain. Haas: But we won't! It seems to be a statement of WWE creative for the past few years regarding any sort of continuity. And Orton is more along the lines of a bland, rest-hold using heel. And why have Rated rko go against DX for the straps? Aren't those four already over so much that they don't need the belts? Let some of the other tag teams that need that sort of assist of having a belt to get over use them. /wants the Kings of Wrestling in the E. They already got Claudio!