FloydBannister1983

I would tend to agree with your points. The major difference being the Astros replaced their front office before the start of the 2012 season. So did the Cubs. I'm not sure that the people who drove the car into the ditch can be counted on to tow it out of the ditch.

Fan O'Faust - I forgive you for assuming you could have a "narrow conversation" about Moncada and not a high level, broader discussion about the rebuild in a thread titled "Moncada".

I'm sorry I must have read wrong. I thought you said "They'd also never make a major, franchise-altering trade with the Cubs." I'd consider Sosa for Bell a major, franchise-altering trade with the Cubs.

Sammy Sosa and George Bell called to say hello. Jon Garland as well. Experiment ... The White Sox will never, ever upgrade their current front office.

Please point me to where I quoted stats of two players and made a comparison. Thanks in advance. Try reading the entire thread.

The high xFIP suggested he was eventually going to get hit hard.

Coming from an admitted pessimist ... I was talking with a friend about this the other day. I know I'm a pessimist but based on anecdotes like this I don't think this team has a chance in this city any longer. You're going to have kids growing up and knowing nothing but Cubs success and White Sox failure for 15+ years. Those that are White Sox fans by birth won't be able to find White Sox attire. The state is going broke and not likely to give them a sweetheart deal when the lease is up. Who is going to root for this team in 2030? I've been thinking nonstop about this since 2016. Do they have to move?

Interesting read coming from a former Gold Glove winner. He knows a thing or two about fielding.

Kittle didn't play 1B. He played LF. Squires won a Gold Glove at 1B the year before Kittle was called up and was a fan favorite.

But I don't see that the OP has said he won't be good. Granted I could have missed that post. I went back and looked and he's said that the two aforementioned players have performed better this year and he agreed with another poster that Ray Durham would be a reasonable comp and that he won't be as good as Mike Trout (not many will be). That sure doesn't seem like doom and gloom.

I'm not sure how positively quoting some statistics of some other players = doom and gloom.

One glaring difference is that Houston hired a new GM right before the start of the 2012 season (hired 12/8/2011). It may or may not matter.

I hope he improves on that .634 OPS at AA or we won't be watching him in Chicago.

Noted. Awaiting your replies to the comments regarding Bill Murray, Bernie Mac, etc.

The embarrassment is that the Cubs, while tanking, were still outdrawing the all-in White Sox by about a million fans per season.

+1 It is impossible to believe he just started experimenting with the stuff in 1998.

It does when the people in charge of the train wreck are still engineering the shiny new train.

Yes. I well remember them getting shutout 3-0 to lowly Kansas City that year and losing a close game to Detroit when they forgot how to hit. Reminds me of Clayton Kershaw in the postseason.

Huh. The numbers don't show that. Sale was 3-3 that September with an ERA less than the team average. The rest of the team was 10-15 in games Sale didn't pitch.

Depends on what the definition of "rebound" is. Since 2000 the White Sox finished in the top ten in attendance figures one time, in 2006 when they finished 9th, still behind the lowly Cubs. Even in the World Series year of 2005 they finished 17th. I'm not sure they would or would not fare better in another city without a baseball team, Indianapolis for example.

Why did you put "error" in quotes? Are you implying that he hasn't committed any errors?

I'll have two of whatever you're drinking.

Outsider? What was he doing before he was hired to be their manager?

Touché.

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