Squirmin' for Yermin

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 01:27 PM) Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 38s an a's trade for stephen piscotty from cardinals is "edging closer" via @susanslusser. @Ken_Rosenthal connected those 2 teams earlier. Wow. guess we know he isn't in the Marlins deal.. How many years did Ozuna have on his deal?

Just saw that. I don't think this pulls them out of the Abreu sweepstakes.. The Cards still need a first baseman. Still a good match. The questions really is what would they have left in the farm after the Ozuna deal and will they weaken it more from it for Abreu?

I'm going to guess Flaherty, and 2 of there MLB OF.. Like a Bader and Piscotty/Grichuk

Swarzak to Mets. 2 years 14 mil

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 07:22 AM) I don't know but how many times do I have to read about WAR being the be all, end all to a players value? I don't get the dismay with Garcia. I've seen people wanting Delmonico playing rather than Avi. That's just wrong. Delmonico will never approach a year like Garcia just had and is not near the plyer. I heard Carlos Pena last night talking about Ozuna and how teams need to let players develop because he was sent down to the minors a couple years ago, made adjustments, and now is the most coveted available trade chip out there. I also heard a GM, think it was Shapiro, talking about a prospect comparing to a current player on their roster. He mentioned how the prospect was in the minors, while at the same age, the other guy was already in the league. Everybody is high on Eloy, and rightfully so, but at his age in high A and AA, Avi was already playing in the bigs. Now that Avi seems to have figured things out.....trade him. Makes zero sense to me. Not surprising it doesn't make sense to you..

I really want Nestor Cortes with our first selection and then pick Jordan Guerrero with our second and send him back to the minors.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 03:40 PM) I mean, it's not happening for the Sox this offseason, nor do I want them to. The biggest upside to a team trading for him now is getting ONE year out of him and using that opportunity to impress him so much that he either signs an extension or would give some kind of preference in free agency to them... I'd guess there's a 98% chance he tests the market, so I say let's just reproach next year. The interesting comment as noted in the first post is that he wants to play SS. If that's the case I'd like to see some experimenting either spring training or late in the season when we are out of it to test Anderson in CF or 3B. Still a very small chance we get him, but in the case we do I'd like to see how Anderson plays the diamond elsewhere. Anderson to 2nd makes sense and then you can move Moncada back to third where he seemed like a better defender.. This is all of the hypothetical that we actually signed Machado

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) I understand that, but the post I was replying to talked about Ellsbury being worth about 1/2 his deal. He might well perform like a 1.5 win player each of the next 3 years and that's a tolerable CF, but if that takes playing time away from someone who could develop into a big leaguer that hurts us in a different way. There's a cost associated with us giving him playing time when we could be developing a useful piece of our own. Don't forget we'd get a good prospect back (presumably). Who could we realistically expect if such a crazy thing happened?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) I don't know how to translate the units FV into anything meaningful to me. Can you clarify? Add a player comp? that's essentially a top 100 prospect,.. Which Yolmer is not worth that

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) Clint Frazier Now would be the time to kick the tires on that.. Yolmer and someone for Frazier.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) I just think guys like Sanchez and Leury Garcia, are players that have some value, but aren't the types of guys where you acquire really interesting prospects. You get B-/C+ guys at best. You might as well keep them. I'd guess you'd get a Melky Cabrera sort of return. So yeah, B-, C Prosects

Man it's slow.. Stanton and Ohtani really slowed down this offseason

Their 2-4 hitters will be Judge, Stanton and Sanchez in some order. No way they move one to 5th

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) When the new top 100 rankings come out sometime in January I fully expect Hansen to take a pretty significant leap. The stuff is there and the control is improving. Frazier is overrated, and unless he's a plus defensive center fielder I don't think the bat will stick at a corner. Power potential is great, but only if you make enough contact to use it. Fangraphs was really down on his 2017 performance, rating him below replacement level offsensively, and -5.8 defensively...which is cause for concern. Buyer beware. I'd be pretty shocked if he isn't a top 50 prospect.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) Rutherford for Frazier, who says no! Yankees say no

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) Yes. It was around noon when my phone blew up. Yeah it was around noon when I became completely un-productive at work.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 08:36 AM) I don't really there is significant reliever risk with Kopech anymore. He's the best pitching prospect in baseball. He dominated AA last year and should be in the big leagues shortly. His floor is high leverage power reliever sure but I don't think the risk is significant anymore. He's a freaking ace. I'm with you. I always joke with my baseball buddies that Kopech will win the Cy Young in 3 years... Little do they know, I'm not totally joking lol

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 08:37 AM) Ok, who says no: Sox trade Carlos Rodon for Clint Frazier & Justus Sheffield Yankees say no in a heartbeat and then laugh in Rick Hahn's face.

If we could get Devers straight up the trade would have already been done.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) I get the feeling that Hahn and Co. do not want to be in the business of paying a mid 30's first baseman retail money like that. The only way I would sign him to an extension is if he takes a substantial discount to stay with the White Sox. 5/90 or 4/80 is not what I would consider to be a substantial discount by any means. Abreu is not getting any younger, and giving a 33 year old Abreu three more guaranteed years is not necessarily a wise decision. I am with Steveno89 on most every subject. YAY!

QUOTE (WestSuburbanSox @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) I am not sure I trust this front office to sign big name free agents. This rebuild would go a lot better if we get 3 or 4 stars from Jimenez, Moncada, Kopech, Hansen, Giolito, Lopez, Rodon, Cease, Robert, Rutherford, Adolfo, etc... and sign more guys like Wellington Castillo who can consistently deliver above replacement value at reasonable risk. We probably need 4 OFs, 5 IFs, 2C, and 5 SPs that are at a minimum worth 1 WAR. If we find ourselves 3 months out from a solid chance at the WS, great, pull a short term deal if you need to. But first, assemble a very deep team of solid players. It sounds like you're wanting to do what we had done the past 5 years.. Have 3 or 4 stars (Sale, Abreu, Quintana, Eaton) and then sign patchwork guys.. This doesn't work and we've proved it. I hope we don't fall into the same problems. EEEK

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) He won't be in the pen. That would put too much stress on his shoulder. He will need to be on a regular routine. I would think it's the exact opposite. Throwing 6 innings is more stressful than one inning two straight days. Rodon to me seems destined for the bullpen.

At this point I would be fine with absolutely any position as long as they aren't picked because of their athleticism.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 10:00 AM) I would go out on a limb and say that the biggest free agent contract the White Sox hand out this off season has already been signed. agreed

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) That was my intention, sorry if I was unclear. I agree. I think something like 4/80 or 5/95 would get it done. I do not see the point one bit at extending him if it is going to cost that much.. Can someone give me a reason why extending a 33 year old 1st basement for 20 million makes sense? Just wait till his contract is up and extend him then if he is producing at 20 mil a year