Squirmin' for Yermin

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 03:40 PM) I mean, it's not happening for the Sox this offseason, nor do I want them to. The biggest upside to a team trading for him now is getting ONE year out of him and using that opportunity to impress him so much that he either signs an extension or would give some kind of preference in free agency to them... I'd guess there's a 98% chance he tests the market, so I say let's just reproach next year. The interesting comment as noted in the first post is that he wants to play SS. If that's the case I'd like to see some experimenting either spring training or late in the season when we are out of it to test Anderson in CF or 3B. Still a very small chance we get him, but in the case we do I'd like to see how Anderson plays the diamond elsewhere. Anderson to 2nd makes sense and then you can move Moncada back to third where he seemed like a better defender.. This is all of the hypothetical that we actually signed Machado

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) I understand that, but the post I was replying to talked about Ellsbury being worth about 1/2 his deal. He might well perform like a 1.5 win player each of the next 3 years and that's a tolerable CF, but if that takes playing time away from someone who could develop into a big leaguer that hurts us in a different way. There's a cost associated with us giving him playing time when we could be developing a useful piece of our own. Don't forget we'd get a good prospect back (presumably). Who could we realistically expect if such a crazy thing happened?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) I don't know how to translate the units FV into anything meaningful to me. Can you clarify? Add a player comp? that's essentially a top 100 prospect,.. Which Yolmer is not worth that

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) Clint Frazier Now would be the time to kick the tires on that.. Yolmer and someone for Frazier.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) I just think guys like Sanchez and Leury Garcia, are players that have some value, but aren't the types of guys where you acquire really interesting prospects. You get B-/C+ guys at best. You might as well keep them. I'd guess you'd get a Melky Cabrera sort of return. So yeah, B-, C Prosects

Man it's slow.. Stanton and Ohtani really slowed down this offseason

Their 2-4 hitters will be Judge, Stanton and Sanchez in some order. No way they move one to 5th

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) When the new top 100 rankings come out sometime in January I fully expect Hansen to take a pretty significant leap. The stuff is there and the control is improving. Frazier is overrated, and unless he's a plus defensive center fielder I don't think the bat will stick at a corner. Power potential is great, but only if you make enough contact to use it. Fangraphs was really down on his 2017 performance, rating him below replacement level offsensively, and -5.8 defensively...which is cause for concern. Buyer beware. I'd be pretty shocked if he isn't a top 50 prospect.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) Rutherford for Frazier, who says no! Yankees say no

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) Yes. It was around noon when my phone blew up. Yeah it was around noon when I became completely un-productive at work.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 08:36 AM) I don't really there is significant reliever risk with Kopech anymore. He's the best pitching prospect in baseball. He dominated AA last year and should be in the big leagues shortly. His floor is high leverage power reliever sure but I don't think the risk is significant anymore. He's a freaking ace. I'm with you. I always joke with my baseball buddies that Kopech will win the Cy Young in 3 years... Little do they know, I'm not totally joking lol

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 08:37 AM) Ok, who says no: Sox trade Carlos Rodon for Clint Frazier & Justus Sheffield Yankees say no in a heartbeat and then laugh in Rick Hahn's face.

If we could get Devers straight up the trade would have already been done.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) I get the feeling that Hahn and Co. do not want to be in the business of paying a mid 30's first baseman retail money like that. The only way I would sign him to an extension is if he takes a substantial discount to stay with the White Sox. 5/90 or 4/80 is not what I would consider to be a substantial discount by any means. Abreu is not getting any younger, and giving a 33 year old Abreu three more guaranteed years is not necessarily a wise decision. I am with Steveno89 on most every subject. YAY!

QUOTE (WestSuburbanSox @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) I am not sure I trust this front office to sign big name free agents. This rebuild would go a lot better if we get 3 or 4 stars from Jimenez, Moncada, Kopech, Hansen, Giolito, Lopez, Rodon, Cease, Robert, Rutherford, Adolfo, etc... and sign more guys like Wellington Castillo who can consistently deliver above replacement value at reasonable risk. We probably need 4 OFs, 5 IFs, 2C, and 5 SPs that are at a minimum worth 1 WAR. If we find ourselves 3 months out from a solid chance at the WS, great, pull a short term deal if you need to. But first, assemble a very deep team of solid players. It sounds like you're wanting to do what we had done the past 5 years.. Have 3 or 4 stars (Sale, Abreu, Quintana, Eaton) and then sign patchwork guys.. This doesn't work and we've proved it. I hope we don't fall into the same problems. EEEK

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) He won't be in the pen. That would put too much stress on his shoulder. He will need to be on a regular routine. I would think it's the exact opposite. Throwing 6 innings is more stressful than one inning two straight days. Rodon to me seems destined for the bullpen.

At this point I would be fine with absolutely any position as long as they aren't picked because of their athleticism.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 10:00 AM) I would go out on a limb and say that the biggest free agent contract the White Sox hand out this off season has already been signed. agreed

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) That was my intention, sorry if I was unclear. I agree. I think something like 4/80 or 5/95 would get it done. I do not see the point one bit at extending him if it is going to cost that much.. Can someone give me a reason why extending a 33 year old 1st basement for 20 million makes sense? Just wait till his contract is up and extend him then if he is producing at 20 mil a year

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) I doubt the Sox trade Avi or Abreu before Stanton gets moved. I am assuming that if he doesn't accept a trade by the end of the first day of winter meetings those teams that were interested will move on.. They'd have to.. At least the Cards would since they're respectable without him and can sign other FA to contend. The Giants I guess can keep waiting.

I agree he isn't an amazing player. But there's got to be a point where his cost is worth losing a pick. Now to be clear, I too am not certain what I'd put that value at.

I too don't hate the idea of adding Moustakas IF his price drops to around what we are saying here 5 years for 70 mil.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 08:43 AM) Anyone think Avi could net Alex Reyes in a deal with the Cards? I don't think Abreu OR Avi could net Reyes.

White Sox trade Abreu to the Cardinals for Kelly and Sierra

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 04:48 PM) Why? Flaherty's numbers are a little misleading, as his 2.74 ERA in 15 AAA starts looks more pedestrian with a 4.10 FIP and 4.06 xFIP. His cup of coffee at the mlb level did not go very well either. He's still a quality prospect, but I see mid rotation ceiling for him. Piscotty I don't see us trading for as he was signed long term and is coming off a bad season. Bader is overrated in my book, as he really does not have any standout tools. He seems to be a guy that ends up being a good fourth outfielder on a contender, but I don't think he has the bat to be a corner OF regular on a championship team. I'm not trying to tear these guys down, but who out of these guys do you feel is too much for the Cardinals to sacrifice for an impact bat? I agree with all 3 of your assumptions with those players.. My problem is that all 3 of those with those projections are more valuable than 2 seasons of abreu. That's 3 major leaguers. I'd expect something like Flaherty and Bader and that's about the top end but not all three.. Hopefully I'm wrong obviously lol