Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

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Sources: #WhiteSox engaged in daily trade discussions on Quintana. #Pirates, #Astros involved, possibly others. #Yankees appear longshot.

 

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

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Sources add: #WhiteSox firm on Quintana’s value; also could move him at deadline. NYY seem less willing than others to move top prospects.

 

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Hey new info

Hey new info

Yeah it's nice to have, even though it's kind of what we've known/speculated, nice to see Ken on the prowl.

Now that Rosenthal is tweeting, watch it happen tonight.

 

Always believe the Twitterverse. Always.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

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Sources: #WhiteSox engaged in daily trade discussions on Quintana. #Pirates, #Astros involved, possibly others. #Yankees appear longshot.

 

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

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Sources add: #WhiteSox firm on Quintana’s value; also could move him at deadline. NYY seem less willing than others to move top prospects.

 

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Yankees are desperate to downplay their involvement that it wouldn't shock me if they are the most interested team. "We don't want Quintana noooo why would we? BTW what's Jason Hammel up to did I mention NO QUINTANA let me tell you about how much I want Jose Qui-I mean don't want. Nope nope nope"

 

NOT BUYING IT, Cashman. Not buying it one bit.

Sweet! Another Q thread to avoid until anything actually happens.

Sweet! Another Q thread to avoid until anything actually happens.

 

By avoid, you mean post in, correct?

Yankees are desperate to downplay their involvement that it wouldn't shock me if they are the most interested team. "We don't want Quintana noooo why would we? BTW what's Jason Hammel up to did I mention NO QUINTANA let me tell you about how much I want Jose Qui-I mean don't want. Nope nope nope"

 

NOT BUYING IT, Cashman. Not buying it one bit.

 

I agree with this. Irrational fan opinion: Cashman wants to drop the Torres hammer and not have to give up much beyond it. He does not want to drop the Torres hammer and add considerably more after in competing with another team.

I agree with this. Irrational fan opinion: Cashman wants to drop the Torres hammer and not have to give up much beyond it. He does not want to drop the Torres hammer and add considerably more after in competing with another team.

 

Hahn is taking what amounts to less than a half season of Chapman for Jose Quintana. Obviously, that not how it works, but he'll want much more.

Yankees are desperate to downplay their involvement that it wouldn't shock me if they are the most interested team. "We don't want Quintana noooo why would we? BTW what's Jason Hammel up to did I mention NO QUINTANA let me tell you about how much I want Jose Qui-I mean don't want. Nope nope nope"

 

NOT BUYING IT, Cashman. Not buying it one bit.

 

Couldn't agree more. Yankees hold the trump card on almost all other teams if they are willing to include Torres or Frazier. Right now, they haven't been pushed to that limit yet since Pirates seem unwilling to include Meadows. Until they are forced to go there, they'll act like they are "longshots" for Q while all along keeping tabs on him.

 

BTW long time reader, first time poster. The Q trade discussions have been so fun that I couldn't resist posting.

Hahn is taking what amounts to less than a half season of Chapman for Jose Quintana. Obviously, that not how it works, but he'll want much more.

 

No, it isn't how it works. Torres was sold to yanks after a rough first half, he then recovered for a nice second half while being incredibly young, then tore up AFL. Has always had good discipline and then showed off the pop. Torres is a top 5 position prospect now.

No, it isn't how it works. Torres was sold to yanks after a rough first half, he then recovered for a nice second half while being incredibly young, then tore up AFL. Has always had good discipline and then showed off the pop. Torres is a top 5 position prospect now.

 

Still, if Hahn is asking for a deal similar to the Sale deal it'd look like

 

Torres

Rutherford

Andujar

Tate

 

and that could be scaring Cashman off.

Couldn't agree more. Yankees hold the trump card on almost all other teams if they are willing to include Torres or Frazier. Right now, they haven't been pushed to that limit yet since Pirates seem unwilling to include Meadows. Until they are forced to go there, they'll act like they are "longshots" for Q while all along keeping tabs on him.

 

BTW long time reader, first time poster. The Q trade discussions have been so fun that I couldn't resist posting.

Welcome!

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If #WhiteSox move Quintana, they likely will sign free-agent SP on one-year deal to help protect youngsters. Could always flip at deadline.

 

common sense, but hey it's relative!

Couldn't agree more. Yankees hold the trump card on almost all other teams if they are willing to include Torres or Frazier. Right now, they haven't been pushed to that limit yet since Pirates seem unwilling to include Meadows. Until they are forced to go there, they'll act like they are "longshots" for Q while all along keeping tabs on him.

 

BTW long time reader, first time poster. The Q trade discussions have been so fun that I couldn't resist posting.

 

Welcome. Agree, I think Yanks understand they have no shot w/out Torres or Frazier. They are the swoop in candidate a la Boston. I'm hoping instead we can package Frazier w Q to get Bregman, tucker, Paulino ++ from Houston.

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If #WhiteSox move Quintana, they likely will sign free-agent SP on one-year deal to help protect youngsters. Could always flip at deadline.

 

common sense, but hey it's relative!

 

Or pluck Dylan Covey in the rule 5 draft

Hammel would make a ton of sense then

Hammel, Ross, De La Rosa.

 

Several different options if the Sox go this route.

Still, if Hahn is asking for a deal similar to the Sale deal it'd look like

 

Torres

Rutherford

Andujar

Tate

 

and that could be scaring Cashman off.

 

 

That is an ideal trade package but I'm guessing you are right and Cashman doesn't go there. I still love the Yankees as a trade partner because of the depth of their system. I think there could be a deal where Rutherford is the headliner along with very good second and third pieces, with flyers on a fourth and fifth piece based on scouting. Something like:

 

Rutherford

Sheffield/Kaprielian (maybe Acevedo)

Andujar/Fowler

Montgomery

Sands

 

I agree with this. Irrational fan opinion: Cashman wants to drop the Torres hammer and not have to give up much beyond it. He does not want to drop the Torres hammer and add considerably more after in competing with another team.

Torres, Mateo and somebody the teams mutually agree on that is at best a Spencer Adams-tier prospect (the Yankees have a million of those guys). I think that's as far as Cashman really wants to bend. That's my guess. Agreed about the "Torres hammer", that once Cashman "caves" and includes Torres that he does not want to include Rutherford, Frazier, Kapeielian or anyone he really, really likes in that system.

 

I thought Severino would be a name the two could agree on to add but that tweet that the Sox are exploring FA options if Quintana leaves throws some cold water on that idea.

Rosenthal had something on Ross just below the Q stuff. He's visiting the Rangers and is considering several other teams. But he may not be ready for opening day. I think that might be an issue.

Still, if Hahn is asking for a deal similar to the Sale deal it'd look like

 

Torres

Rutherford

Andujar

Tate

 

and that could be scaring Cashman off.

 

Well, that goes back to my point of in my head cashman is willing to use Torres in a deal, but when Torres is added wants it to be in a situation where he is offering a talent so much more coveted than what other teams are offered he does not need to offer as much on the backend. Compare that with if Cashman is bidding Torres vs a Meadows, well, then they need to be competitive on the backend.

 

But if Torres is dropped in an offer, Hahn isn't goint to respond "uh he's only half of 1/2 season of chapman therefore goodbye"

One of the contributors on the Garfien podcast yesterday sure seemed to think/know that the Hammel is interested in the Sox

One of the contributors on the Garfien podcast yesterday sure seemed to think/know that the Hammel is interested in the Sox

 

Yeah said he'd love to stay in Chicago. I think Hammel can find a two year deal though and I doubt we give it up.

Don't get lost in previous trades. By that logic Rookie Davis, Tony Renda, Eric Jagielo and Caleb Cotham are TWICE as valuable as Gleyber Torres and the group he came with.