According to White Sox Dave, the yankees are shopping Clint Frazier and the Giants, Mets, and Braves are all interested. The asking price is a starting pitcher plus two lower level prospects. "He's as good as gone"

I assume Gardner will get dealt somewhere too. Hicks in CF, Stanton and Kudge in corners and Ellsbury DH.

I assume Gardner will get dealt somewhere too. Hicks in CF, Stanton and Kudge in corners and Ellsbury DH.

Jon Heyman said that Gardner, Stanton, and Judge will all be rotated in the corner outfield spots and DH. Personally, I think they would get rid of ells bury before Gardner because Gardner is a clubhouse presence.

Jon Heyman said that Gardner, Stanton, and Judge will all be rotated in the corner outfield spots and DH. Personally, I think they would get rid of ells bury before Gardner because Gardner is a clubhouse presence.

Ellsbury has a full no trade. I don't see him waiving that to go to a lesser team.

I really don’t see a match here. Come July I want Delmonico & Jimenez in LF & RF on a daily basis. Plus we don’t have a major league ready arm that’s really expendable.

I really don’t see a match here. Come July I want Delmonico & Jimenez in LF & RF on a daily basis. Plus we don’t have a major league ready arm that’s really expendable.

 

I don't think anyone was suggesting we should trade for him. I agree that there isn't a fit.

Depending on people's views on Rutherford in the future, Fraizer is a good prospect who could be the LF for the next 6+ years. I don't think Yankees are gonna want James Shields as a starting pitcher though (or even Carson Fulmer).

Depending on people's views on Rutherford in the future, Fraizer is a good prospect who could be the LF for the next 6+ years. I don't think Yankees are gonna want James Shields as a starting pitcher though (or even Carson Fulmer).

 

To me Clint Frazier is an overrated prospect due to the questionable hit tool. He has yet to show he can handle mlb pitching and any team would be foolish to trade quality young pitching for him.

I would very much take Clint Frazier on our roster, but we don't have any assets the Yanks could use. The main assets we have that are tradeable and MLB-proven are Abreu and Garcia and they're trading Frazier because they have no room in the middle of their order or their corner OFs.

 

They need starting pitching that is established and will contribute next year, and they will almost certainly find someone to give them that. I would if I had it, but all I have that is established is James Shields.

Ellsbury has a full no trade. I don't see him waiving that to go to a lesser team.

and roughly $90mil still on his contract including the buy out

Clint Frazier would make a nice headliner for Chris Archer.

 

Yanks and Giants match up well for a trade of bad contracts. Yanks could use another SP ( Jeff Samardzija ) and the Giants could use upgrades in the corner OF ( Brett Gardner ) and 3B ( Chase Headley ) positions.

I would very much take Clint Frazier on our roster, but we don't have any assets the Yanks could use. The main assets we have that are tradeable and MLB-proven are Abreu and Garcia and they're trading Frazier because they have no room in the middle of their order or their corner OFs.

 

They need starting pitching that is established and will contribute next year, and they will almost certainly find someone to give them that. I would if I had it, but all I have that is established is James Shields.

You lost me with the bolded

Edited December 10, 20178 yr by iamshack

You lost me with the bolded

 

In the sense that you wouldn't do a pitching prospect straight up for Frazier as those 1 for 1 type of deals don't seem to happen.

Edited December 10, 20178 yr by soxfan2014

In the sense that you wouldn't do a pitching prospect straight up for Frazier as those 1 for 1 type of deals don't seem to happen.

 

Well, who would it be? I wouldn't want to give up Kopech or Hansen, and they likely wouldn't take anything less. I'd give up a Cease for him, but I don't think they'd take that. I think he's a tad overrated, though, so maybe Hansen would be okay for some.

No thanks from the Sox perspective. The last time we traded for a Yankee prospect they were souring on, it didn't work out well from our end (yet at least).

In the sense that you wouldn't do a pitching prospect straight up for Frazier as those 1 for 1 type of deals don't seem to happen.

I suspect they’d be happy to take any number of our assets off our hands for Frazier.

 

If we offered a package of say, Dunning and Burdi, I’m pretty sure that deal gets done.

 

There are any number of combinations that get it done, tbh.

 

The White Sox would be one of the easier organizations to complete a deal with, IMO.

I suspect they’d be happy to take any number of our assets off our hands for Frazier.

 

If we offered a package of say, Dunning and Burdi, I’m pretty sure that deal gets done.

 

There are any number of combinations that get it done, tbh.

 

The White Sox would be one of the easier organizations to complete a deal with, IMO.

 

They already have the best pen in baseball, why do they need Burdi, who has to prove himself first coming off injury.

 

Dunning? Not enough. Same with Fulmer.

 

It would have to be someone closer to Lopez/Giolito/Hansen territory. They can simply dangle Gardner and/or Frazier until they get the exact pitcher they want back in return. We don’t have anyone in that 60-75 range, Cease/Dunning/Hansen (just one) feels light, the others are still pretty close to untouchable from Hahn’s perspective.

 

Odds are, though, they’d prefer to trade Frazier, since they tend to value vets so highly.

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No thanks from the Sox perspective. The last time we traded for a Yankee prospect they were souring on, it didn't work out well from our end (yet at least).

 

He's also 20 and in A+ and hit a lot of doubles. Converting gap power to over the wall power is sometimes a developmental step a prospect has to take.

Ryan Sweeney says hello.

 

In all fairness, the same was being said about a certain Astros OF prospect in 2016 and he really blossomed this past year.

 

Nobody knows when or if it will happen. Avi Garcia is a perfect example. Projected/potential power vs. reality is an inexact science.

He's also 20 and in A+ and hit a lot of doubles. Converting gap power to over the wall power is sometimes a developmental step a prospect has to take.

 

Yeah...I did at (yet at least) to the end of my post. I know this story is a long way from being told. But would I take back that trade if I could? Yes.

It will take 8-10 prospects to turn into a strong rotation and bullpen. We're not competing if we're scrambling to fill 2-3 positions in the rotation because someone got hurt or didn't develop well. The Yankees don't need AA level pitchers and we might have surplus of that, maybe, if things work well, but if things don't work well then we've got about enough.

 

Wait a year. If things go well then we have a nearly full rotation out of Lopez, Fulmer, Rodon, Kopech, and Giolito, with Hansen waiting in the wings. Then we can start, for 2019, thinking of Cease and Dunning as bullpen candidates and filling guys, and if everything goes well, we can trade one of them.

 

But, let's say Rodon's shoulder never recovers, he pitches 40 innings this year, and goes back to the DL. How we gonna replace that? Ready for a $20 million a year deal to find a replacement? We can afford one of those, but then we are deciding that we're sacrificing a different position where it would be nice to have an all star.

 

For now...COMMIT TO THE PROGRAM. We have the league's best minor league talent. Let it stew. We worked hard this year to do this. The next step is the hard part - patience and development. Do that. Frazier does not fit with that, if he requires giving up the guys we need to develop. They want Abreu? Fine. Aside from that, a prospect for prospect deal is not what we need to be gunning for. There are better matches.

I suspect they’d be happy to take any number of our assets off our hands for Frazier.

 

If we offered a package of say, Dunning and Burdi, I’m pretty sure that deal gets done.

 

There are any number of combinations that get it done, tbh.

 

The White Sox would be one of the easier organizations to complete a deal with, IMO.

I don’t think the Yankees accept that offer. They’re going to be looking for an arm that is close to major league ready.

They already have the best pen in baseball, why do they need Burdi, who has to prove himself first coming off injury.

 

Dunning? Not enough. Same with Fulmer.

 

It would have to be someone closer to Lopez/Giolito/Hansen territory. They can simply dangle Gardner and/or Frazier until they get the exact pitcher they want back in return. We don’t have anyone in that 60-75 range, Cease/Dunning/Hansen (just one) feels light, the others are still pretty close to untouchable from Hahn’s perspective.

 

Odds are, though, they’d prefer to trade Frazier, since they tend to value vets so highly.

When you bail on a prospect at the stage Frazier is at, you get terrible value.

 

I will be surprised if they do better.

I don’t think the Yankees accept that offer. They’re going to be looking for an arm that is close to major league ready.

No one is going to give them an arm with better than back of the rotation potential for Frazier right now.

 

Dunning and Fulmer? They’d jump at that imho.

No one is going to give them an arm with better than back of the rotation potential for Frazier right now.

 

Dunning and Fulmer? They’d jump at that imho.

If Garcia was moved, I'd probably consider this, but gosh I want to see Cordell first. If scouts were ok moving Swarzak for him they thought there was value there. Man, maybe they say "F*** you Cordell was your mistake fix this now", but other than that...is Frazier that much better right now?