August 13, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, bighurt4life said: Really? That seems like pretty black and white thinking. A .670 vs a .705 ops. Is more or less the same guy to me The difference is OBP. I like OPS but it overweights SLG% and underweights OBP. So the difference between a .310 and .345 OBP is what does it for me. Edited August 13, 20187 yr by Jose Abreu
August 13, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, Dam8610 said: Also that ISO projection is ridiculously low. He'll be closer to .150 (league average) than .060. What makes you say that? If anything, he seems like a guy whose ISO will be way below the league average to me. Lots of singles with some doubles, few triples, next to no homers
August 13, 20187 yr 22 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: What makes you say that? If anything, he seems like a guy whose ISO will be way below the league average to me. Lots of singles with some doubles, few triples, next to no homers Did you not follow dam before the draft
August 13, 20187 yr 6 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: What makes you say that? If anything, he seems like a guy whose ISO will be way below the league average to me. Lots of singles with some doubles, few triples, next to no homers Considering there hasn’t been a qualifying player with ISO lower than .060 since 2013 I am pretty sure your projection is off.
August 13, 20187 yr 7 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: What makes you say that? If anything, he seems like a guy whose ISO will be way below the league average to me. Lots of singles with some doubles, few triples, next to no homers 1 hour ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Considering there hasn’t been a qualifying player with ISO lower than .060 since 2013 I am pretty sure your projection is off. Well, there's that. There's Madrigal's plus hit and speed tools, which will likely net him extra bases on hits in addition to extra hits. There's the juiced ball, which tends to affect players with average to below average power the most. There's the several players in MLB showing that height isn't a limiting factor to power, guys like Jose Altuve, Jose Ramirez, and Mookie Betts. There's also the reality that pitchers would feel no need to try to do anything but challenge Madrigal if he rarely does more damage than a single, which would make it difficult for him to be a productive MLB hitter. If Madrigal does become a productive MLB hitter, it will likely be with a .120-.175 ISO.
August 13, 20187 yr Isn’t Madrigal a HBP machine too? If so, that’s another thing that will prop up his OBP.
August 13, 20187 yr I'm not as high on Madrigal as some others are just because I haven't yet seen that he has a lot of physical talent. There is some mystery about whether he can play SS, and for some reason the Sox aren't trying it yet, but for now I see a 2B who gets very good reviews with the glove. I worry about what will happen when the better-than-eyeballs analytics get their hands on his defense. Maybe he'll be a great defensive 2B, it'll be important for his value that he is. He clearly isn't super strong, but it's hard to tell where he is on that spectrum. He can make contact with the best of them, but that isn't everything. I worry that you could end up with a guy who bats .300 but with such little power that he's still not actually very valuable. Overall, I see his floor as Chris Getz and I'm not sure who his ceiling is but it doesn't strike me as super high. I wasn't against the Sox drafting him because he's relatively low risk. But I'll also say that I was more enthusiastic about Trea Turner as a draft prospect, who ultimately went later in the round than Madrigal did. Of course, I hope I'm wrong!
August 13, 20187 yr I usually think of Madrigal's ceiling to be like the peak years of Brian Roberts, but with half the SBs. Maybe a little better hitter.
August 13, 20187 yr 19 hours ago, Lillian said: Jose Rondon hit his 20TH homer of the season. if you count the 3 he hit for the Sox. That's pretty impressive. Especially in only about 300 at bats. He'll be back in Chicago in a few weeks. Edited August 13, 20187 yr by ChiSox59
August 13, 20187 yr 41 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: That's pretty impressive. Especially in only about 300 at bats. He'll be back in Chicago in a few weeks. They really can use him, especially if Leury isn't back.
August 13, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Markbilliards said: I usually think of Madrigal's ceiling to be like the peak years of Brian Roberts, but with half the SBs. Maybe a little better hitter. I like that comp. If he turned into prime Brian Roberts during the WS contention window, I'd be elated. That's a solid 3-5 WAR/year player. Edited August 13, 20187 yr by JUSTgottaBELIEVE
August 13, 20187 yr 6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I like that comp. If he turned into prime Brian Roberts during the WS contention window, I'd be elated. That's a solid 3-5 WAR/year player. Roberts used some chemical enhancement to get to those numbers though.
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