Whisox05 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Edited November 30, 2018 by aeichhor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I wonder if Van Wagenen is the new Dave Stewart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Cano contract is bad, but it’s not awful for now. $24M per is a lot, but you have to assume at least some money is coming along based on what we’ve heard and the Mets prospects being discussed. A team like the NYM can withstand 2 bad years from Cano getting paid $18M or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: That is a great deal for the Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: That is a great deal for the Mariners. You can literally break it out as 2 separate deals and it looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tony said: I just don’t understand this at all from the Mets perspective. It makes more sense when you realize they hired an agent with no front office experience to be their GM. I’m waiting to see the final terms of the deal, but as currently rumored this deal is insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 The Mets were definitely a closer away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 What is Cespedes' health situation? I remember some writers speculating this past summer that he was on a trajectory to end up like Albert Belle...making more news off the field than on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 23 minutes ago, Tony said: I just don’t understand this at all from the Mets perspective. If they sign Harper and Corbin then it would make sense, but unless that happens, who knows what they are thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It makes more sense when you realize they hired an agent with no front office experience to be their GM. I’m waiting to see the final terms of the deal, but as currently rumored this deal is insanity. The agent that worked Cano's deal in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Thinking the Braves and Phillies are passing them by...? That they have to do SOMETHING desperate to reinvigorate their fanbase, especially with the re-rise (or re-invigoration) of the Yankees' juggernaut. Edited November 30, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: What is Cespedes' health situation? I remember some writers speculating this past summer that he was on a trajectory to end up like Albert Belle...making more news off the field than on it. I believe he is out likely at least a couple months to begin the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Why are people acting like this is a huge win for the Mariners? Imagine how much better of a return for Diaz it would have been if Cano wasn't a salary dump. On Garfien's podcast they were talking with Nightengale about the Mariners asking for a package starting with Cease. Cease is significantly better than Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Look at what Chapman got the Yankees for only 3 months of service, Gleyber Torres. Cano is submarining Diaz's value in this trade by forcing the Mariners to take Bruce and Swarzak back in return, as well as only getting 1 top 100 prospect. Unless the Mariners got big plans with that money freed up from Cano, I'm not really sure why Mariners fans would be happy with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Damn, we could have gotten Diaz for Swarzak!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinski Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Passen’s article on this trade sums it up perfectly for me. Baseball is about winning games, this trade helps the Mets win now (lose more later perhaps). this is unlikely the only deal they will do and this deal shouldn’t be assessed in a vacume. As White Sox fans we moan our team don’t act like a big market team yet some of us are now talking about losing trade value whilst acting like a big team (big teams can take more risks because they can afford to fix the mistakes). is this a plus EV trade for the Mets, probably not. Do they win more games in 19’... almost definitely. Edited November 30, 2018 by Colinski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 11 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Cano contract is bad, but it’s not awful for now. $24M per is a lot, but you have to assume at least some money is coming along based on what we’ve heard and the Mets prospects being discussed. A team like the NYM can withstand 2 bad years from Cano getting paid $18M or so. I assumed he's been bad given the negativity towards him, but looking at his numbers, he has lived up to the contract so far. He has averaged over 4 WAR per season in Seattle and that would be even higher if not for his suspension last year. During which the Mariners didn't even have to pay him anyway!! Now that is not predictive for the second half of the deal, but it's gotta be one of the better big-name free agent signings in recent memory. And now they might get good prospects from it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 9 hours ago, LittleHurt05 said: If they sign Harper and Corbin then it would make sense, but unless that happens, who knows what they are thinking. Did the Mets change owners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: I assumed he's been bad given the negativity towards him, but looking at his numbers, he has lived up to the contract so far. He has averaged over 4 WAR per season in Seattle and that would be even higher if not for his suspension last year. During which the Mariners didn't even have to pay him anyway!! Now that is not predictive for the second half of the deal, but it's gotta be one of the better big-name free agent signings in recent memory. And now they might get good prospects from it too. The Mets taking on Canó is reducing the prospect haul, not adding to it. And a 36 year guy just busted for PEDs would make me pretty nervous about his next five seasons. BTW, I’m pretty sure the Mariners still had to pay Cano’s salary while he was suspended, but it goes to the league rather than the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, bmags said: Did the Mets change owners? No, they did not. Hence my use of the terms "if" and "unless". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The Mets taking on Canó is reducing the prospect haul, not adding to it. And a 36 year guy just busted for PEDs would make me pretty nervous about his next five seasons. BTW, I’m pretty sure the Mariners still had to pay Cano’s salary while he was suspended, but it goes to the league rather than the player. You are right about the prospect part, I got mixed up with that. I'm not predicting the same success until age 41, but he did keep hitting upon return. The reason the Mariners never made the playoffs wasn't his fault, he performed up to his contract so far. According to this Seattle editorial, I think the team keeps the money. https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/maybe-teams-and-not-just-the-players-should-pay-up-during-suspensions-for-peds-use/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: You are right about the prospect part, I got mixed up with that. I'm not predicting the same success until age 41, but he did keep hitting upon return. The reason the Mariners never made the playoffs wasn't his fault, he performed up to his contract so far. According to this Seattle editorial, I think the team keeps the money. https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/maybe-teams-and-not-just-the-players-should-pay-up-during-suspensions-for-peds-use/ Shit, I think you’re right. Does that mean we got back half of the money we owed Castillo last year? Edited November 30, 2018 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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