59 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

2016 alone (and this doesn't include every signing) when the Sox were "going for it":

Austin Jackson $5 million
Navarro  $4 million
Latos $3 million
Avila $2.5 million
Albers $2 million
Rollins $2 million
Turner  $1.5 million

Total:   $20 million  
And for the coup de grace, add $5 million for Shields.

Had to double check the list, couldn't even remember who Turner was.  The answer, not one of the several good ones. 

The best thing is that Hahn will have to own his crappy offseason and continue to lie and say that both Alonso and Jay were targets for the Sox because of their own talents and not due to their ties to Machado.

2 hours ago, Flash Tizzle said:

I just can’t get over Alonso and Jay. I thought there’s just no way a conpetent GM would ever bring them aboard unless it would just about guarantee any tiebreaker goes to the Sox. I was naive to believe they’d ever tie any offer above their cheap baseline

They literally did everything wrong: raised expectations extending back years, signed/traded for a friend and relative, then provided an incentive laden contract instead of meeting Machados reasonable demands. Hahn/KW/JR all obtained shitlord status after this. The trolling done was beautiful

Great post.  You couldn’t get bamboozled worse than Hahn and Kenny did.  Raising the fans expectations a year in advance was the best part so they ensured that they would eat shit for this epic failure for a long time.

Edited February 20, 20197 yr by Machado2Sox

7 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

Had to double check the list, couldn't even remember who Turner was.  The answer, not one of the several good ones. 

He had a 6.49 ERA, a 1.5 WHIP and averaged 4.4 strikeouts the year before....and Hahn paid him $1.5 million.....

There is 100% guarantee that for the next 10 years the Sox will have ~$20m+ in wasted trash players on the roster.

Fuck this franchise

21 minutes ago, jenksycat said:

There is 100% guarantee that for the next 10 years the Sox will have ~$20m+ in wasted trash players on the roster.

Fuck this franchise

Exactly right.

 

4 hours ago, bmags said:

Nobody asked for it, but just to prove just how terrible hahn has been as GM at free agency now with our 2018-19 class. (this is somewhat edited toward players likely to be mlb signings)

I bolded anyone that was a great signing (exceeded value of contract). 

2012-13

Dewayne Wise

Jeff Keppinger

Tony Pena

Matt Lindstrom

2013-14

Jose Abreu (skeptical if it counts)

Zack Putnam

Felipe Paulino

Ronald Belisario

Scott Downs

Dylan Axelrod

Brian Omogrosso

2014-15

Junior Guerra (let go for nothing later)

Zack Duke

Adam LaRoche

David Robertson

Melky Cabrera

Brad Penny

Emilio Bonifacio

Geovany Soto

Scott Carroll

Jesse Crain

Gordon Beckham

Nicky Delmonico

Matt Albers

2015-16

Matt Purke

Alex Avila

Dioner Navarro

Jacob Turner

Matt Albers

Mat Latos

Jimmy Rollins

Austin Jackson

Chris Volstad

2016-17

Derek Holland

Cody Asche

Everth Cabrera

Geovany Soto

Gregory Infante

Anthony Swarzak

Peter Bourjas

2017-18

Matt Skole

Welington Castillo

Miguel Gonzalez

Chris Volstad

Xavier Cedeno

Jeanmar Gomez

Bruce Rondon

Hector Santiago

2018-19

James McCann

Kelvin Herrerra

Jon Jay

 

Who is excited to go discount shopping with Rick Hahn?? We have plenty of money for b/c free agents! 

Haha what a list. It's unbelievable. 

There goes Harrison.

15 minutes ago, Sockin said:

There goes Harrison.

Thank god, Hahn needs MLB's help to save him from himself. Bum

2 hours ago, Sockin said:

There goes Harrison.

Good.

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Good.

Right?  I don't mind him as a player but why wouldn't we give Rondon the ABs?

7 minutes ago, bschmaranz said:

Right?  I don't mind him as a player but why wouldn't we give Rondon the ABs?

Because why not, it's not like we're going to use the money elsewhere, we may as well blow it and let some of the guys who are trapped here walk. 

Are the Sox even allowed to DFA Jay if they wanted to after spring training? Has something like that ever happened before? 

3 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Are the Sox even allowed to DFA Jay if they wanted to after spring training? Has something like that ever happened before? 

Jon Jay is fine for this roster and team, we need a 4th OF. Alonso on the other hand has no reason to really be on this roster.

Edited February 20, 20197 yr by BigHurt3515

1 minute ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Are the Sox even allowed to DFA Jay if they wanted to after spring training? Has something like that ever happened before? 

DFAing someone before they even played a game? I don't know.

 

Just signing someone to lure a free agent over only to fail? No, that has never happened. ?

5 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

Jon Jay is fine for this roster and team, we need a 4th OF. Alonso on the other hand has no reason to really be on this roster.

Would rather see Leury, Engel, Delmonico, and Palka...Fuck Jay

Eloy will be up soon as well

Like I said, wish CWS stayed put aside from adding bullpen pieces or a star

Maybe Kimbrel makes sense now if possible, Sox are loaded in the system there however

Yesterday I said I would actually count up the WAR and $ and see the totals.

 

So interestingly enough this pretty much all depends on whether you would consider Jose Abreu a "FA" signing. I did in this, but it's controversial because I think he should be more included as an international free agent.

So, WITH ABREU

Total Players (not including 2019 due to WAR): 43

Total Dollars: $254 million

Total bWAR: 26.9

$/WAR: $9.5 million

WITHOUT abreu

Total Players: 42

Total Dollars: 177 million

Total bWAR: 8.2

$/WAR: 21.6 million

Best non abreu signing?

I think it's likely Swarzak, who produced 1.9 WAR on 900k

Zach Putnam also produced 3.1 WAR on total 862k over several years

Melky and David robertson come in right around 9 million per WAR, so not terrible.

Total negative WAR players? 50%

 

Wait, 21 of his free agent signings have been negative players?  I would love to see the full list when you have a chance.

18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Wait, 21 of his free agent signings have been negative players?  I would love to see the full list when you have a chance.

Yeah i can't figure out the shared spreadsheet. But all negative during their sox years (I took total sox career numbers from 2013-2018. Some had positive one year and horribly negative next). Dewayne Wise

Jeff Keppinger

Felipe Paulino

Ronald Belisario

Scott Downs

Dylan Axelrod

Brian Ommogrosso

Zack Duke

Adam LaRoche

Emilio Bonifacio

Scott Carroll

Matt Albers

Matt Purke

Dioner Navarro

Jacob Turner

Jimmy Rollins

Austin Jackson

Chris Volstad

Derek Holland

Cody Asche

Jeanmar Gomez

Bruce Rondon

Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R_yaQ3MB5ExjZ9c8Z8BKk4quxB40prLBjKdPSmEZoug/edit?usp=sharing

Some numbers I got from spotrac vs. baseball ref.

Nice work bmags, atrocious but somehow expected even worse.

3 minutes ago, TheTruth05 said:

Nice work bmags, atrocious but somehow expected even worse.

You gotta hand it to abreu, he really muddies the water here.

1 hour ago, bmags said:

Yesterday I said I would actually count up the WAR and $ and see the totals.

 

So interestingly enough this pretty much all depends on whether you would consider Jose Abreu a "FA" signing. I did in this, but it's controversial because I think he should be more included as an international free agent.

So, WITH ABREU

Total Players (not including 2019 due to WAR): 43

Total Dollars: $254 million

Total bWAR: 26.9

$/WAR: $9.5 million

WITHOUT abreu

Total Players: 42

Total Dollars: 177 million

Total bWAR: 8.2

$/WAR: 21.6 million

Best non abreu signing?

I think it's likely Swarzak, who produced 1.9 WAR on 900k

Zach Putnam also produced 3.1 WAR on total 862k over several years

Melky and David robertson come in right around 9 million per WAR, so not terrible.

Total negative WAR players? 50%

 

Isn’t $9.5M/WAR pretty much exactly in line with or just a bit worse than league averages? That’s interesting.

5 minutes ago, bmags said:

You gotta hand it to abreu, he really muddies the water here.

Yup, without him that list goes from really sad to damn near parody

I wonder what a similar evaluation would look like with the Cubs since Theo took over? Lester certainly helps, much like Abreu did here, but Heyward, Chatwood, Darvish would all bring down the production rates significantly.

Moral of the story? Hahn hasn’t been good with free agent signings overall but his bad signings are greatly magnified because he is consistently working with low payrolls.