27 minutes ago, bmags said:

The Sox should petition the league to have 9 DHs so soxtalk can finally be happy.

The Sox should petition the league to have 9 DHs so their scouting dept. can look brilliant.

When healthy and rust-free, Eloy has actually been very good this year, and you can tell over the last week or so that his quality of contact has gotten much better. He has had some horrible luck in this Angels series though.

so can we have Engel play defense and Eloy bat? 

Seriously though Eloy needs ALOT of improvement out there.

Puny arm and loafs... get that ass moving out there.

Edited August 17, 20196 yr by harkness99

2 hours ago, Flash said:

Since you like to search and repost others to support your perceived high ground, why don't you pull up the posts about you leaving this board? Something about moving to Nashville because you were so distraught. Obviously that didn't happen.

Way to pummel that straw man Flash! 

There really should never be a negative word written about Eloy, especially by fans of the rebuild. Most of the rebuild people have said all along we won't be any good until 2021 or later. The rebuild people tell you not to rush players and when they come up there will be a period of adjustment/improvement before young players presumably all take off as all-star talents about the same time. Thus one or two WS titles.

So Eloy is 22 and in his "getting adjusted" stage. You better believe the Sox will have him work on his defense this winter or whenever. Maybe in the fall when the team is sitting home again. Eloy has already shown he's a superstar in the making, a guy if healthy who is going to hit 40 homers a season without exception. Why talk about Eloy. Let him turn into the superstar he's going to be. He's not going to look like a clown defensively his whole career, folks.

6 hours ago, harkness99 said:

so can we have Engel play defense and Eloy bat? 

Seriously though Eloy needs ALOT of improvement out there.

Puny arm and loafs... get that ass moving out there.

Many posters have referred to Jimenez's "noodle arm".  Eliminating loafing, proper positioning, throwing to the correct base, etc. can be taught.  Can a noodle arm be strengthened or is he destined to never throw out a runner at home or at least keep base runners from running on him at will?

16 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Maybe we can trade him for Tatis Jr.  ?

Eloy should be a DH.

Cubs already got lovable Baby Ruth as their DH should the NL go that route.

That's why Eloy was expendable.

If Eloy was a stellar outfielder, he'd be in the Cubs line-up.

Eloy is a DH.

Kenny-Hahn need to face the facts.

Edited August 18, 20196 yr by GradMc

14 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

The Sox should petition the league to have 9 DHs so their scouting dept. can look brilliant.

There you go

Eloy threw a strike to the catcher from mid deep LF in today's game against the Angels.  The commentator with Benetti was impressed at Eloy's speed on the bases and his closing speed getting to fly balls in the outfield.    I agree with him.   Eloy is going to surprise cubs fans and others who think he is a lumbering loafer with a noodle arm.   They are wrong.

 

 

 

Eloy has to make aporoach adjustments and start pulling the ball a little more.  There is no reason to be worried about him offensively.

In the field I think he'll end up being serviceable but he's not going to be anything more than that imo.  But that's fine when he's going to hit 40+ HRs a year.

2 hours ago, tray said:

Eloy threw a strike to the catcher from mid deep LF in today's game against the Angels.  The commentator with Benetti was impressed at Eloy's speed on the bases and his closing speed getting to fly balls in the outfield.    I agree with him.   Eloy is going to surprise cubs fans and others who think he is a lumbering loafer with a noodle arm.   They are wrong.

 

 

 

What is the ChiSox coaching staff going to do to work on his arm strength/coaching?

This seems more like a specialization of Rusty Kuntz working with Alex Gordon (who already possessed a true 3B's arm)...than anything we've ever seen in a puff piece about Daryll Boston's coaching acumen.

In fact, I don't ever recall a puff piece from Merkin about Boston.

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

What is the ChiSox coaching staff going to do to work on his arm strength/coaching?

This seems more like a specialization of Rusty Kuntz working with Alex Gordon (who already possessed a true 3B's arm)...than anything we've ever seen in a puff piece about Daryll Boston's coaching acumen.

In fact, I don't ever recall a puff piece from Merkin about Boston.

No denying that throw was impressive.

6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

What is the ChiSox coaching staff going to do to work on his arm strength/coaching?

Weighted balls.

1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Weighted balls.

No, this is not an acceptable answer.  The only acceptable answer is Rusty Kuntz because of Alex Gordon, this is the only thing that will work

49 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

No, this is not an acceptable answer.  The only acceptable answer is Rusty Kuntz because of Alex Gordon, this is the only thing that will work

If Rusty Kuntz is the only acceptable answer I'm pretty sure I don't want to know the question.  It sounds too painful.

So basically we have no example of a White Sox coach turning an outfielder into anything resembling a solid defender when they started out well below average...

11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

So basically we have no example of a White Sox coach turning an outfielder into anything resembling a solid defender when they started out well below average...

Yes that is what we all said

18 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

So basically we have no example of a White Sox coach turning an outfielder into anything resembling a solid defender when they started out well below average...

Avisail Garcia.

47 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Avisail Garcia.

In your face, doubters!

4 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Avisail Garcia.

Is he a FA this offseason? He's cheap and we need a RF and he loves the Sox. Hmmmm ....

3 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Is he a FA this offseason? He's cheap and we need a RF and he loves the Sox. Hmmmm ....

If he batted left handed I would be all over him.  I still don't hate the idea.

35 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Is he a FA this offseason? He's cheap and we need a RF and he loves the Sox. Hmmmm ....

He's on the injured list again and his stats for June were so bad that his season looks pretty mediocre even to you. But yeah, it probably would work for 1 year.

6 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Avisail Garcia.

Except was it a lasting change?

For some reason, RFer's (thinking guys here like Eaton, Garcia and Hunter Renfroe) really get a huge boost when they pile up double digit assist numbers from that position.

Eaton got that huge bump when he moved from CF (where he struggled both defensively and staying healthy) to RF, which led directly to his one big fWAR season and the Gio/Lopez/Dunning deal.

Of course, eventually it normalizes when opposing teams stop challenging them...I'm sure there's some obscure stat about the number of runners going from first to third or second to home on balls hit to them.

 

I remember Podsednik was actually improved the second time around with the team, fwiw.

 

Edited August 20, 20196 yr by caulfield12

On 8/17/2019 at 12:54 PM, Tony said:

Schwarber is probably better than Eloy in LF....but was much worse upon his arrival in MLB. Wouldn’t you know it, young players can actually get better with more time playing a position. 

Keep him in LF, see if he improves over time. 

He's adequate and getting better every day.  Much bigger concerns than this.

13 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Except was it a lasting change?

Yes. Avisail Garcia was a rotten fielder in 2014 and he has been a slightly above average right fielder from 2016-2019 according to DRS.