Just now, Quin said:

To be fair, he'd probably hit more than Billy Hamilton.

Enough Billy Hamilton jokes already ?

While i feared it was a sox management crush that made them get Mazara it appears the cardinals wanted him also. They tend to hit on things pretty well so maybe he breaks out here.

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’m not sure about that.  Here’s our roster’s wRC+ against RHP last year:

• Moncada = 148
• Anderson = 132
• Jimenez = 120
• Grandal = 114
• Mazara = 110
• Collins = 99
• Abreu = 99

I would expect Collins & Abreu to both be better against RHP.  Honestly, wouldn’t be surprised if Mazara was the low man on the totem pole next year out of these seven.

I would be shocked if Timmy's wRC+ against  righties is that high again next season. 

Just now, Chisox378 said:

Enough Billy Hamilton jokes already ?

If you think this is bad, Greg still endures shit for Tim Anderson at catcher.

But basically, Billy Hamilton is everything you advocate against. So, we roll with it.

Hahn probably got too buddy buddy with the guy from Texas and made a silly trade with the advice of our HR or nothing scouts.

2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Really not sure what the peoblem is. Spray chart shows potential in another park.

I posted it already Badge, not sure if you saw. His gap power is very interesting to me.

13 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Really not sure what the peoblem is. Spray chart shows potential in another park.

A year ago...Soxtalk posters be like...we really need to acquire some guys with real upside. Sox go out and acquire Mazara, a former top 10 prospect in all of baseball who has gotten Albert Pujols comparisons from Bill James.  Soxtalk be like...we should have signed Calhoun to a short-term big money deal (veteran who pretty much is what he is, who has actually trended down with 2 of his last 3 years being career worst, including a .652 OPS).    

Glad we can show this generation the thrill of having Mark Teahan running around in RF.  We also picked him up due to him decking our pitching.  That was a great evaluation.  

Maybe now you can take a flyer on Domingo Santana and split these two? 

21 minutes ago, fathom said:

Right or wrong, the Sox clearly think they can unlock Nomar’s potential. This isn’t about comparing what Kole would contribute compared to what Nomar has done in the past.

And they better succeed in doing so because we only have four years of control left of Yoan & Giolito and if we get 2016 to 2019 Mazara that could cause our competitive window to shrink a year.

When did Bill James say this? It must have been a long time ago. Pujols put up batting averages of .329, .314, .359, .331 his first 4 years to go alomg with well over 150 HR. It's no comparison to Mazara. Mazaras swing is nothing like Albert's. Bill James struck out here.

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1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

And they better succeed in doing so because we only have four years of control left of Yoan & Giolito and if we get 2016 to 2019 Mazara that could cause our competitive window to shrink a year.

Wait till they start trying to lock those two up to team friendly deals.  Then if either of them reject that, my god will all hell break loose.  

Adam Engle was worth more fWAR in half as many ABs last year than Mazara.

You can't tell me Walker, who has no viable path to the Sox regardless, couldn't have been a throw in for an actual productive player.

21 minutes ago, mqr said:

It’s not crazy to think Mazara and Grandal alone add 8 wins. And that’s project Mazara for 1 WAR

So a below average player is acceptable because the players before him were historically bad?

Don't mind Nomar M. Good potential in RF for future seasons.

Can we go back in time and make Frank Castillo be right about signing Marcell Ozuna?

Just now, purpleeyeshadow816 said:

Don't mind Nomar M. Good potential in RF for future seasons.

For two seasons.

23 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

Heyman said we were clearing money for Rendon with this deal.

Lol.

 

Where did he say this?  If there were plans for a Rendon pursuit, I’d be far more ok with going cheap in RF.  Skeptical they would something so bold that would also require moving Moncada and likely trading Madrigal.

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Where did he say this?  If there were plans for a Rendon pursuit, I’d be far more ok with going cheap in RF.  Skeptical they would something so bold that would also require moving Moncada and likely trading Madrigal.

It was a misquote.  He was talking about the Rangers freeing up money with this move for their pursuit of Rendon.  

 Eno is p smart guy, so this is at least encouraging. 

19 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

I would be shocked if Timmy's wRC+ against  righties is that high again next season. 

No doubt, but he’s got plenty of room for recession and can still be at Mazara’s level.

5 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

It was a misquote.  He was talking about the Rangers freeing up money with this move for their pursuit of Rendon.  

Oh good, glad we strengthened an American League competitor by making this move.

I'm thinking of this as a Scott Podsednik type move, where it allows you to go buy higher quality at 2nd/3rd/pitching.  Say the Sox sign Rendon, and move Moncada back to 2nd...no need to worry about a lefty OF with Mazara.  All there would be is pitching.

 

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23 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:

Adam Engle was worth more fWAR in half as many ABs last year than Mazara.

To be fair, Engel is also like 3 and a half years older. I get your point though.