June 22, 20223 yr My biggest concern going forward is this bullpen. With starters that seemingly cant go more than 5 or 6 innings and injuries to our top relievers, the pen is in crisis mode. I see Hahn going after a couple of relievers at the deadline but man the starters need to go deeper into games.
June 22, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, reiks12 said: My biggest concern going forward is this bullpen. With starters that seemingly cant go more than 5 or 6 innings and injuries to our top relievers, the pen is in crisis mode. I see Hahn going after a couple of relievers at the deadline but man the starters need to go deeper into games. If they ever get everybody healthy, they have Hendriks-Graveman-Bummer-Kelly-Foster-Lopez-Velasquez-Ruiz. That's a good enough bullpen. Just too many guys out right now. The starters do need to start being able to go 6 consistently though.
June 22, 20223 yr Between all the bullpen signings this was supposed to be a strength (again). Allocate all these resources to the pen and the results are extremely frustrating
June 22, 20223 yr Agreed. Starters have to go deeper......I think they will with Lynn rounding into shape. Need Giolitto to step it up starting today. I think Hahn will add a Lefty to the pen along with the guys you mentioned.
June 22, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Spumoni said: Between all the bullpen signings this was supposed to be a strength (again). Allocate all these resources to the pen and the results are extremely frustrating We have never had our full bullpen at one time with injuries to Hendricks, bummer, and kelly
June 22, 20223 yr Author For what its worth the AAA fillers have been good enough, and Lopez has been the pen's MVP. I am just hoping they can continue to perform at a decent level.
June 22, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, Spumoni said: Between all the bullpen signings this was supposed to be a strength (again). Allocate all these resources to the pen and the results are extremely frustrating Doesnt matter how much you allocate if they get hurt. This pen was supposed to be Hendriks, Graveman, Bummer, Kelly, Crochet, Reylo, VV, and 1 more. That would have been a strength, injuries haven't allowed it
June 22, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said: Doesnt matter how much you allocate if they get hurt. This pen was supposed to be Hendriks, Graveman, Bummer, Kelly, Crochet, Reylo, VV, and 1 more. That would have been a strength, injuries haven't allowed it I guess the 1 more would have been Ruiz, who might perform different in mop up duty vs. high leverage. But yeah this bullpen would have been cool to see. Instead, it's a revolving IL door
June 22, 20223 yr I 54 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: If they ever get everybody healthy, they have Hendriks-Graveman-Bummer-Kelly-Foster-Lopez-Velasquez-Ruiz. That's a good enough bullpen. Just too many guys out right now. The starters do need to start being able to go 6 consistently though. Still could use a 2nd lefty and I would love to improve upon Ruiz/Foster who have both been really bad lately. I think this will be a focus leading up to the deadline. We don't really need anything splashy; just solid vets. And chances EVERYONE gets healthy is pretty low, anyway.
June 22, 20223 yr It makes no fucking sense when paid over market value for both Graveman and Kelly and then refuse to either pitch them on back to back days or handle them with kid gloves. What the fuck are we doing. We can't give away games with the position we are in.
June 22, 20223 yr 58 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: If they ever get everybody healthy, they have Hendriks-Graveman-Bummer-Kelly-Foster-Lopez-Velasquez-Ruiz. That's a good enough bullpen. Just too many guys out right now. The starters do need to start being able to go 6 consistently though. At some point they need to look at managing the innings Kopech pitches and that will either put more strain with bullpen days or mean acquiring a starter of some sort to eat up those innings, as the Sox minor league starting options seem minimal.
June 22, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Chimpton said: At some point they need to look at managing the innings Kopech pitches and that will either put more strain with bullpen days or mean acquiring a starter of some sort to eat up those innings, as the Sox minor league starting options seem minimal. Related to that.... I think VV is one of the biggest "glue" guys on the staff. With how fickle the health of the staff seems to be, having a relief valve for Kopech (not to mention the other starters that may need rest as the season goes on) will be huge.
June 22, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, CeaseAndExist said: Doesnt matter how much you allocate if they get hurt. This pen was supposed to be Hendriks, Graveman, Bummer, Kelly, Crochet, Reylo, VV, and 1 more. That would have been a strength, injuries haven't allowed it No one could possibly have predicted this, right?
June 22, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Chimpton said: At some point they need to look at managing the innings Kopech pitches and that will either put more strain with bullpen days or mean acquiring a starter of some sort to eat up those innings, as the Sox minor league starting options seem minimal. Kopech is currently on pace for 140 regular season innings.
June 22, 20223 yr Just now, Balta1701 said: Kopech is currently on pace for 140 regular season innings. Which is probably about 20 too many. Also why I would have just IL'd him with the knee thing and given him a couple starts off. Would have bought ~10 of those innings right there.
June 22, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Kopech is currently on pace for 140 regular season innings. What sort of limit do you thing he should have? What sort of innings limit do you think the Sox will do?
June 22, 20223 yr Bring back all the former Sox closers. Colome and Robertson should come cheap next month.
June 22, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Chimpton said: What sort of limit do you thing he should have? What sort of innings limit do you think the Sox will do? I would probably have guessed right in that range will be their goal. If Everyone here stays healthy through the all star break they can probably manipulate the order of guys to spare him some innings there easily.
June 22, 20223 yr Yes, the pen health is a concern. However, I think it is a concern precisely because 5-6 innings for the starters is *as designed*. Starters going 8 innings pitching to contact and then turning it over to a closer is a bonus and a luxury we shouldn't count on. We have to assume the pen will take nearly half the game and therefore need to have them ready to do so. Edited June 22, 20223 yr by SpringfieldFan
June 22, 20223 yr Author 3 hours ago, SpringfieldFan said: Yes, the pen health is a concern. However, I think it is a concern precisely because 5-6 innings for the starters is *as designed*. Starters going 8 innings pitching to contact and then turning it over to a closer is a bonus and a luxury we shouldn't count on. We have to assume the pen will take nearly half the game and therefore need to have them ready to do so. This is why Cueto has been so key lately, hes exactly the luxury you describe and a much needed addition to this rotation if that continues. Giolito looks like hes in for another short outing today. Pen cant keep this up.
June 22, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, reiks12 said: This is why Cueto has been so key lately, hes exactly the luxury you describe and a much needed addition to this rotation if that continues. Giolito looks like hes in for another short outing today. Pen cant keep this up. Yes, gotta give credit where credit is due on that signing.
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