oldsox Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 There have been some really bad teams in my life. I still remember the St. Louis Browns in the 40's. Then there were the Pirates for years in the 50's Baltimore was in the dregs 20 or so years ago. White Sox were there in early 70's. They came back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 And this team will come back and be really bad once again. I still think they can put together a twenty game losing streak. Perhaps after the sell off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Well this is the “looking forward to my later years” pep talk I was looking for ?. Can’t wait for all the suck 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, oldsox said: There have been some really bad teams in my life. I still remember the St. Louis Browns in the 40's. Then there were the Pirates for years in the 50's Baltimore was in the dregs 20 or so years ago. White Sox were there in early 70's. They came back. I remember the Phillies of the late 50s and early 60s who were really bad. The old Washington Senators of the 1950s were horrible but they moved to Minnesota in 1961 and have been a thorn in the the side of the White Sox ever since. IIRC when the A’s moved to KC from Philadelphia in 1955 they never had a winning season in their time in KC, they moved to Oakland in 1968 and became damn good with 3 World Series Championships in 1973, 1974 and 1975. Just for comparison sakes, the Boston Braves moved to Milwaukee in 1952 then moved to Atlanta in 1966, they never had a losing season in Milwaukee and drew great crowds in the 50s drawing over 2 million a year for a few years which is like drawing 4 million these days but for some reason Milwaukee stopped supporting them in the 1960s. After the Sox the Braves were my second favorite team and I saw them play many times at Wrigley beating the wretched Cubs who also had some horrible teams in the 50s and up until 1967 in the 60s, for years it was Ernie Banks and 24 other guys. Edited July 27, 2023 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Team gonna be worse then the 88 and 89 teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, JoshPR said: Team gonna be worse then the 88 and 89 teams Probably like the 68 and 69 teams but not 1970 bad. To tell the truth I’m a little shocked by how bad this team has played, I figured at worse they would be .500 again but really thought they would win the division with 86 wins. This season is like a bad nightmare. Edited July 27, 2023 by The Mighty Mite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 The Six Losing White Sox Decades: (likely seven with a third total and second straight for Jerry through 2029) .447 1930s (678-841-11) Charlie Comiskey dies, Great Depression .459 2010s (743-876) Rick Hahn Alive, Sox Playoff Chances Dead .463 1940s (707-820-9) MLB Desegregates, Bridgeport Furious, White Sox remain Whites Only until the 1950s .469 1970s (752-853-3) Team almost moves twice, two different owners with Veeck saving the team .476 1920s (731-804-7) Judge KKK Landis dismantles White Sox Championship Core .486 1980s (758-802-3) Jerry Reinsdorf the lone White Sox owner with two losing decades. The result of Jerry's greed, averse, arrogance and ST stupidity. 2020s through 7/26/23: 246-233 .514 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Not too get in the way of your usual rant about JR but how many others had a chance for two losing decades? Charles and JR. The various Comiskey family members combined had a win percentage of just under JR. Veeck, combining his two stints was below .500. John Allyn again, worst than JR. Although after this season that may change. This has been a crappy franchise through and through no matter the owner. Some years are good to great, others just suck ass. https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, Texsox said: Not too get in the way of your usual rant about JR but how many others had a chance for two losing decades? Charles and JR. The various Comiskey family members combined had a win percentage of just under JR. Veeck, combining his two stints was below .500. John Allyn again, worst than JR. Although after this season that may change. This has been a crappy franchise through and through no matter the owner. Some years are good to great, others just suck ass. https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/ Jerry is approaching a half century with three losing decades. He is complete and utter horseshit. The owners you are bitching about had short terms, primarily limited to what you inherit in such a short window. Reinsdorf's crony hire Hahn has had a longer stretch than all but three White Sox owners over 124 years. Charles Comiskey by far the most successful, Charlie's daughter-in-law Grace Comiskey who owned during their transition to successful 1950s teams. Jerry Reinsdorf who Tried to move the team Destroyed the 50/50 Chicago fandom split with his SportsVision scheme and firing "scum of the Earth" Harry Caray Cancelled the Sox best chance at a World Series in nearly a half century by cancelling 1994 and trying to field scabs in 1995 Led the worst stretch of White Sox baseball in the 2010 during the modern era. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Just now, Texsox said: No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. No Manager has won more games than Connie Mack 3,731 - 3,948. Jerry can stick his second/third place carrots up his ass. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, Texsox said: No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. Weird flex 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Texsox said: No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. When you've owned the team for over 40+ seasons I would certainly hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: When you've owned the team for over 40+ seasons I would certainly hope so. Agreed. It's as meaningless as stats about losses. Plenty of reasons to criticize him. But most "insert anything" stats can be attributed to the amount of years he's owned the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I don’t ever remember a team that had quit so completely, two years in a row. It’s really astonishing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 On 7/26/2023 at 9:38 PM, oldsox said: There have been some really bad teams in my life. I still remember the St. Louis Browns in the 40's. Then there were the Pirates for years in the 50's Baltimore was in the dregs 20 or so years ago. White Sox were there in early 70's. They came back. Aren’t you supposed to gain wisdom as you get older? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 17 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said: I don’t ever remember a team that had quit so completely, two years in a row. It’s really astonishing. Yep and where’s the friggin pride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 23 hours ago, Texsox said: No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. 23 hours ago, Texsox said: No owner in Sox history has won more games than JR. Nothing much to be proud of when Reinsdorf has the most Sox victories as an owner and yet he is well under 500 for his career. I guess Jerry deserves a participation trophy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Is he well under .500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrittenburg Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 trouble is, none of those teams sold their soul to Kenny Williams over 1 WS title 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 15 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said: Nothing much to be proud of when Reinsdorf has the most Sox victories as an owner and yet he is well under 500 for his career. I guess Jerry deserves a participation trophy! Actually he's not under .500 and even more surprisingly teams have averaged higher in the standings than any other time since Charles moved the team to Chicago. https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/ He's just another care taker of a historically horrible franchise not much better or worse than the rest of them. As others have noted the are plenty of reasons to want him to sell. Plenty of things he's done that aren't popular with most fans. In fact it seems there is enough to not have to distort or make up stuff to want him gone. But all time won loss stats are meaningless when the only comparison is from the turn of the 20th century versus turn of the 21st century. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 30 minutes ago, Texsox said: Actually he's not under .500 and even more surprisingly teams have averaged higher in the standings than any other time since Charles moved the team to Chicago. https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/ He's just another care taker of a historically horrible franchise not much better or worse than the rest of them. As others have noted the are plenty of reasons to want him to sell. Plenty of things he's done that aren't popular with most fans. In fact it seems there is enough to not have to distort or make up stuff to want him gone. But all time won loss stats are meaningless when the only comparison is from the turn of the 20th century versus turn of the 21st century. His goal is to field 3rd place (used to be 2nd before the expanded playoff garbage) teams, waiving carrots and hoping to find rubes to believe his teams lies that they are trying to field competitive teams. Charlie Comiskey built multiple World Series teams. Bill Veeck managed multiple World Series teams with two moribund teams, here within six months of his arrival. Both had the desire to build winners and draw fans. Jerry hates White Sox fans, hates most players on his teams, hates his fellow owners, chooses crony hires and criminals over competent decent human beings. When he goes, it will take a few years for his stench to blow away, just like the Chicago Stockyards after they closed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Charles did it in the AL one hundred years ago. He also owned the team that was the biggest scandal in baseball history. Imagine if JR was the owner back then. The Veeck/Allen years were as mediocre as any other era. The franchise has sucked no matter the owner. It wasn't like JR bought a great franchise and it got worst. It's as good or bad as it ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Texsox said: Actually he's not under .500 and even more surprisingly teams have averaged higher in the standings than any other time since Charles moved the team to Chicago. https://chicagology.com/baseball/soxowners/ He's just another care taker of a historically horrible franchise not much better or worse than the rest of them. As others have noted the are plenty of reasons to want him to sell. Plenty of things he's done that aren't popular with most fans. In fact it seems there is enough to not have to distort or make up stuff to want him gone. But all time won loss stats are meaningless when the only comparison is from the turn of the 20th century versus turn of the 21st century. My bad, you're right the loser is over 500, but barely. In the 43 years his overall record is: W L % 3355 3325 .502 However since winning the World Series in 2005, his record from 2006-2023 is: W L % 1324 1433 .480 Since 2011 his record is: W L % 906 1040 .465 In the 43 years he has had 22 winning seasons and 21 losing seasons. Here is the breakdown of all seasons since 1981: Year TEAM G W L W-L% Finish GB Playoffs R RA Attendance Managers 2023 Chicago White Sox 105 42 63 0.400 4th of 5 12 439 522 1,016,135 P.Grifol (42-63) 2022 Chicago White Sox 162 81 81 0.500 2nd of 5 11 686 717 2,009,359 T.La Russa (63-65) and M.Cairo (18-16) 2021 Chicago White Sox 162 93 69 0.574 1st of 5 -- Lost ALDS (3-1) 796 636 1,596,385 T.La Russa (93-69) 2020 Chicago White Sox 60 35 25 0.583 3rd of 5 1 Lost ALWC (2-1) 306 246 R.Renteria (35-25) 2019 Chicago White Sox 161 72 89 0.447 3rd of 5 28.5 708 832 1,649,775 R.Renteria (72-89) 2018 Chicago White Sox 162 62 100 0.383 4th of 5 29 656 848 1,608,817 R.Renteria (62-100) 2017 Chicago White Sox 162 67 95 0.414 4th of 5 35 706 820 1,629,470 R.Renteria (67-95) 2016 Chicago White Sox 162 78 84 0.481 4th of 5 16.5 686 715 1,746,293 R.Ventura (78-84) 2015 Chicago White Sox 162 76 86 0.469 4th of 5 19 622 701 1,755,810 R.Ventura (76-86) 2014 Chicago White Sox 162 73 89 0.451 4th of 5 17 660 758 1,650,821 R.Ventura (73-89) 2013 Chicago White Sox 162 63 99 0.389 5th of 5 30 598 723 1,768,413 R.Ventura (63-99) 2012 Chicago White Sox 162 85 77 0.525 2nd of 5 3 748 676 1,965,955 R.Ventura (85-77) 2011 Chicago White Sox 162 79 83 0.488 3rd of 5 16 654 706 2,001,117 O.Guillen (78-82) and D.Cooper (1-1) 2010 Chicago White Sox 162 88 74 0.543 2nd of 5 6 752 704 2,194,378 O.Guillen (88-74) 2009 Chicago White Sox 162 79 83 0.488 3rd of 5 7.5 724 732 2,284,163 O.Guillen (79-83) 2008 Chicago White Sox 163 89 74 0.546 1st of 5 -- Lost ALDS (3-1) 811 729 2,500,648 O.Guillen (89-74) 2007 Chicago White Sox 162 72 90 0.444 4th of 5 24 693 839 2,684,395 O.Guillen (72-90) 2006 Chicago White Sox 162 90 72 0.556 3rd of 5 6 868 794 2,957,414 O.Guillen (90-72) 2005 Chicago White Sox 162 99 63 0.611 1st of 5 -- Won WS (4-0) 741 645 2,342,833 O.Guillen (99-63) 2004 Chicago White Sox 162 83 79 0.512 2nd of 5 9 865 831 1,930,537 O.Guillen (83-79) 2003 Chicago White Sox 162 86 76 0.531 2nd of 5 4 791 715 1,939,524 J.Manuel (86-76) 2002 Chicago White Sox 162 81 81 0.500 2nd of 5 13.5 856 798 1,676,911 J.Manuel (81-81) 2001 Chicago White Sox 162 83 79 0.512 3rd of 5 8 798 795 1,766,172 J.Manuel (83-79) 2000 Chicago White Sox 162 95 67 0.586 1st of 5 -- Lost ALDS (3-0) 978 839 1,947,799 J.Manuel (95-67) 1999 Chicago White Sox 162 75 86 0.466 2nd of 5 21.5 777 870 1,338,851 J.Manuel (75-86) 1998 Chicago White Sox 163 80 82 0.494 2nd of 5 9 861 931 1,391,146 J.Manuel (80-82) 1997 Chicago White Sox 161 80 81 0.497 2nd of 5 6 779 833 1,864,782 T.Bevington (80-81) 1996 Chicago White Sox 162 85 77 0.525 2nd of 5 14.5 898 794 1,676,403 T.Bevington (85-77) 1995 Chicago White Sox 145 68 76 0.472 3rd of 5 32 755 758 1,609,773 G.Lamont (11-20) and T.Bevington (57-56) 1994 Chicago White Sox 113 67 46 0.593 1st of 5 -- 633 498 1,697,398 G.Lamont (67-46) 1993 Chicago White Sox 162 94 68 0.580 1st of 7 -- Lost ALCS (4-2) 776 664 2,581,091 G.Lamont (94-68) 1992 Chicago White Sox 162 86 76 0.531 3rd of 7 10 738 690 2,681,156 G.Lamont (86-76) 1991 Chicago White Sox 162 87 75 0.537 2nd of 7 8 758 681 2,934,154 J.Torborg (87-75) 1990 Chicago White Sox 162 94 68 0.580 2nd of 7 9 682 633 2,002,357 J.Torborg (94-68) 1989 Chicago White Sox 161 69 92 0.429 7th of 7 29.5 693 750 1,045,651 J.Torborg (69-92) 1988 Chicago White Sox 161 71 90 0.441 5th of 7 32.5 631 757 1,115,749 J.Fregosi (71-90) 1987 Chicago White Sox 162 77 85 0.475 5th of 7 8 748 746 1,208,060 J.Fregosi (77-85) 1986 Chicago White Sox 162 72 90 0.444 5th of 7 20 644 699 1,424,313 T.La Russa (26-38), D.Rader (1-1) and J.Fregosi (45-51) 1985 Chicago White Sox 163 85 77 0.525 3rd of 7 6 736 720 1,669,888 T.La Russa (85-77) 1984 Chicago White Sox 162 74 88 0.457 5th of 7 10 679 736 2,136,988 T.La Russa (74-88) 1983 Chicago White Sox 162 99 63 0.611 1st of 7 -- Lost ALCS (3-1) 800 650 2,132,821 T.La Russa (99-63) 1982 Chicago White Sox 162 87 75 0.537 3rd of 7 6 786 710 1,567,787 T.La Russa (87-75) 1981 Chicago White Sox 106 54 52 0.509 3rd of 7 8.5 476 423 946,651 T.La Russa (54-52) 3355 3325 0.502 You can rationalize all you want about Jerry Reinsdorf's success, but the overall report card is bad. It's time for him to move on. He still is the worst owner in baseball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 On 7/26/2023 at 9:38 PM, oldsox said: There have been some really bad teams in my life. I still remember the St. Louis Browns in the 40's. Then there were the Pirates for years in the 50's Baltimore was in the dregs 20 or so years ago. White Sox were there in early 70's. They came back. Dang, are you pushing 90? Love hearing stories from older sports fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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