WHarris1 Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Interesting Managerial Article Damnit, just give Guillen the job. Gaston doesn't give a s*** if he gets it. Ozzie wants it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Interesting Managerial Article Damnit, just give Guillen the job. Gaston doesn't give a s*** if he gets it. Ozzie wants it! I haven't read any of Gaston's personal comments about managing here, but Ozzie really wants this job...BAD. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Damnit, just give Guillen the job. Gaston doesn't give a s*** if he gets it. Ozzie wants it! Just because he wants it bad doesn't necessarily make him the right man for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 The funny thing is no candidate was allowed to comment on the process, except apparently Ozzie. If he gets the job, he won't last more than 1 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 while i would rather have ozzie, i wouldn't be too upset w/ cito. Both guys bring something diffrent, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 The thought of either one of them managing depresses me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Interesting Managerial Article Damnit, just give Guillen the job. Gaston doesn't give a s*** if he gets it. Ozzie wants it! I haven't read any of Gaston's personal comments about managing here That's cause Gaston has pre-occupied himself with throwing the race card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChgophiL Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Do you have an example of Gaston using the race card with regards to the hiring of the new Sox manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Do you have an example of Gaston using the race card with regards to the hiring of the new Sox manager? Do you mean JR? If so, I don't think anyone has an example. I think he's definately trying to at least interview minority candidates but I don't have a problem with that. I know JR is on the board of minority hirings or something like that. As long as the person is qualified and does a good job, I don't give a damn what color they are. I happen to also believe that Gaston and Guillen are the best candidates out there, although I would of liked to see the Sox interview Grady Little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Interesting Managerial Article Damnit, just give Guillen the job. Gaston doesn't give a s*** if he gets it. Ozzie wants it! I haven't read any of Gaston's personal comments about managing here, but Ozzie really wants this job...BAD. CWSOX45 Because Gaston has obeyed KW's request to not speak publicly about the job opening/search. Guillen, on the other hand, has launched his own personal PR campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Interesting Managerial Article Damnit, just give Guillen the job. Gaston doesn't give a s*** if he gets it. Ozzie wants it! I haven't read any of Gaston's personal comments about managing here That's cause Gaston has pre-occupied himself with throwing the race card. Specific Reference??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Do you have an example of Gaston using the race card with regards to the hiring of the new Sox manager? Another whitesox.com transfer, welcome aboard. And to answer your question directed towards Cubkilla: no..........no there hasnt. Even if he wasnt picked for manager I'd doubt you hear anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer99 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Why did Gaston stop managingin 97', was he fired, did he quit, did his contract end( if so, why wasnt it renewed and why didnt he sign elsewhere)???? Can someone answer this question, cuz i was like 10 in 1997, so i have no idea what this guy i like besides what the media told me about how he is low key like Jerry Manuel. thanks, by the way, as of right now, i do not want another Jerry Manuel as skipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Do you have an example of Gaston using the race card with regards to the hiring of the new Sox manager? During an interview last week on the Murph Show (?), Cito stated that the criticism of his moves while he was the manager of the Blue Jays was racially motivated. I guess minority managers never make bad managerial decisions..... they're only perceived as bad because of the color of their skin. Do we really want to put up with THIS s*** the next couple of seasons? Ozzie is looking better and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Yeah hopefully KW is beginnin to realise that 2. I think cos Colon didn't resign, Cito mite not want da job cos he don't think we'll contend. Especially if Maggs gets traded as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Why did Gaston stop managingin 97', was he fired, did he quit, did his contract end( if so, why wasnt it renewed and why didnt he sign elsewhere)???? Can someone answer this question, cuz i was like 10 in 1997, so i have no idea what this guy i like besides what the media told me about how he is low key like Jerry Manuel. thanks, by the way, as of right now, i do not want another Jerry Manuel as skipper. Well, heres something concerning Cito that worries me a bit. You will find the answers to your questions here, DBAH0. From Saturdays Chicago-Tribune, here if you want to read it for yourself: Gaston, 59, won two World Series titles before being dismissed with five games left in the 1997 season. Although Gaston had guided the Blue Jays to division titles in 1989, '91, '92 and '93, his firing was anything but a surprise. From 1995 to '97, the Blue Jays went 206-262 under Gaston, who came under fire for a supposedly passive, "let the players play" managerial style. On the day he parted ways with Gaston, general manager Gord Ash said: "I like to see an aggressive manager. I don't believe baseball has to be the equivalent of English afternoon tea. I like some emotion." Gaston is regarded as a solid, unemotional Don Baylor-type. The Sox may be looking to make a bigger splash, and team officials know emotion would not be lacking in Guillen, the 39-year-old sparkplug who was infamous for getting under Frank Thomas' skin. OK, that is precisely NOT what we need. But, then again, I am not so sure I want Ozzie in here at age 39. Somehow I believe that would create potential animosity with some fo the vets, a la Sandy and Frank. So then, apparently IMO neither is the right choice for this team, but coincidentally it looks like one of the 2 above WILL be our manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I would rather Ozzie ruffling a few of the veterans than passive Cito just sittin around on his ass doin nothin and lettin Frank and the vets get what they want. I would hope this team could be turned into a bunch of scrappers e.g Twinkies who can just get the job done. I think Ozzie would do that, just look at da Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer99 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Thanks alot man...i'd have to say that right now i would like ozzie cuz it seems Cito isn't worth what he wants and ozzie is cheaper and prob. just as good plus is different than manuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Oh, and BTW, in case it hasnt been said, Welcome to Soxtalk krammer99!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Both candidates have something to offer. Gaston brings experience and respect while Guillen brings enthusiasm. I think it's going to be Gaston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Gaston would be a good fit here if we had a bunch of guys who were self-motivated and constantly fired up. But let's be honest, if a three-toed sloth was in the clubhouse with the team and the room was on fire, the three-toed sloth would exit before a third of the current players. In other words, we have some uninspired players who loaf, and play hard when they feel like it. That crap wouldn't be tolerated by Ozzie. He may be a smaller guy in stature, but I wouldn't put it past him to put a foot up someone's ass no matter how much bigger they were. Plus, he would make the clubhouse fun, while keeping it professional. Cito Gaston's idea of fun is probably watching his fingernails grow. I know he's an established manager, (or was about a decade ago), but the thought of having "Jerry Manuel II" doesn't excite me. Plus, this team isn't going to generate much fanfare with their roster, so maybe having Ozzie would help with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick03 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I gotta tell you, at first i wanted cito for the experience and i didnt really want ozzie because of the lack of experience. To tell you the truth, i didnt really want either of them. But since it doesnt look like we have a choice, after reading numerous articles, and seeing different things online, i would much rather have ozzie, who has that fiery attitude that the sox were lacking the last few years, than cito who seems more like jerry manual in a different body. Thats just my opinion though. tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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