On 2/4/2024 at 9:36 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Terrifies you ? A bit of hyperbole , yes?

Doesn't seem as complicated or mystifying as you're making it out to be.

You traded a young fast rising pitching prospect who rose fast because he can pitch beyond his years in a bad farm system so pretty easy to advance. Is he talented  ? Sure young enough to gain more command, maybe throw a little harder but hardly a surefire MLB SP. It is the 135 innings he's already pitching at his age that's most impressive. But this is a slow process of trying to build the MLB team and farm system at the same time. Your perception of Mena makes you strongly dislike the trade but he could end up a nothing. A lot of people didn't like trading that kid for Mazara either. Much ado about nothing as it turned out.

Dominic Fletcher appears to be an MLB hitter. Sox don't have many of those in the OF who can also field. He's likely a minimum 2 War guy with 500 ABs . He has 6 years of control so that's pretty valuable.

Getz had to get an OFer that fit his mold of defense. If you wanted a power hitting LH OF who plays good defense you weren't going to find one for Mena. That was supposed to come in a Cease trade. Maybe it still will along with a pitcher to replace Mena. But in the meantime you got the most talented hitter plus defense 4th OF guy for 6 more yrs. But right now he will be the starter.

I'll guess if he gets 500 ABs and he's 2nd or 3rd among Sox position players with around 2.5 War.

Getz likes doing multiplier trades. Bummer, Mena, Santos got back how many guys ? 9 and a draft pick right ?

The 2024 and beyond Sox did get better with this trade and the coming Cease trade will perhaps fill the need for higher upside guys and a pitcher to replace Mena.

Do you still believe that Fletcher is a at minimum 2 win player?

Edited June 1, 20241 yr by Chicago White Sox

Either play him or send him down.

4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Either play him or send him down.

The way they’ve handled him since calling him back up has been bizarre.  Feels like they have completely lost confidence in him and don’t have room on the 40 man for a veteran 4th OF so will instead just let Dominic rot.

15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The way they’ve handled him since calling him back up has been bizarre.  Feels like they have completely lost confidence in him and don’t have room on the 40 man for a veteran 4th OF so will instead just let Dominic rot.

Just like they did with colas, and lenyn the first time 

2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Just like they did with colas, and lenyn the first time 

Pedro's handling of rookies is malpractice at best.

6 minutes ago, Quin said:

Pedro's handling of rookieshumans is malpractice at best.

 

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Do you still believe that Fletcher is a at minimum 2 win player?

The amount of blind optimism some people had for a 27 year old guy who did good in a 100 ab sample size was wild. 

This has turned into such an awful trade.  If Mena was putting up the same minor league season with the Sox as he is with the D-backs, he could’ve been traded for someone actually good.  Or the Sox could’ve kept him and to see if he could become a back of the rotation starter earning nothing.  Brutal.

Edited June 1, 20241 yr by WhiteSox2023

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

This has turned into such an awful trade.  If Mena was putting up the same minor league season with the Sox as he is with the D-backs, he could’ve been traded for someone actually good.  Or the Sox could’ve kept him and to see if he could become a back of the rotation starter earning nothing.  Brutal.

The worst part is they aren’t even letting him just play to see what we got. They gave up on him super quick and have since called him up to just rot. 

2 minutes ago, T R U said:

The worst part is they aren’t even letting him just play to see what we got. They gave up on him super quick and have since called him up to just rot. 

Shows how bad the Sox scouting still is.  Likely poor assessments on both players and they don’t even have confidence in their own decision to make this trade to actually play Fletcher and see what he can do.

25 minutes ago, T R U said:

The amount of blind optimism some people had for a 27 year old guy who did good in a 100 ab sample size was wild. 

As wild as the blind negativity other people had for the same guy. 

Just now, WestEddy said:

As wild as the blind negativity other people had for the same guy. 

One side seems correct in their assessment at this point.

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

As wild as the blind negativity other people had for the same guy. 

Nah, not even close really.