bmags Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 I don't know if it's interesting but it does seem like Grady Jarrett became less awesome when Dan Quinn left. From my very limited research, Ryan Nielson was running probably similar stuff, not like he was converted to 3-4, but I do wonder if Dennis Allen has an idea of what will work best for Jarrett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 I will state this - I vowed not to let an off-season hook me and convince me again with the Bears (I need to see wins on the field and real production to start buying it) - but I got to give credit to Poles, Warren, and McCaskey. They have killed it - from landing Ben Johnson, to the staff (on paper) they brought in, and now the way they have upgraded the trenches and put money into the right places is huge. Now I just hope they found the right players - but they are in a position to really hit some doubles and triples in the draft and really position this club for sustained success - and really put Caleb in a position where he has the right nucleus around him to achieve his potential (now I hope he has it in him and is ready to put in RIDICULOUS effort across the board to get himself to the pinnacle and to keep pushing himself to stay at the top too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 19 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: I will state this - I vowed not to let an off-season hook me and convince me again with the Bears (I need to see wins on the field and real production to start buying it) - but I got to give credit to Poles, Warren, and McCaskey. They have killed it - from landing Ben Johnson, to the staff (on paper) they brought in, and now the way they have upgraded the trenches and put money into the right places is huge. Now I just hope they found the right players - but they are in a position to really hit some doubles and triples in the draft and really position this club for sustained success - and really put Caleb in a position where he has the right nucleus around him to achieve his potential (now I hope he has it in him and is ready to put in RIDICULOUS effort across the board to get himself to the pinnacle and to keep pushing himself to stay at the top too!!! I get it totally, and I'm going to stick with the idea from after last season. We can like what they are doing, but we gotta see it on the field. We've been fooled way too many times. It seems like they are doing smart things, but doesn't mean much until it translates into wins, and they just don't deserve any benefit of the doubt right now. But unfortunately, they are the only team in Chicago seemingly trying to win, so they extra interest right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) Not a fan of Poles throwing money at two older guys, assuming he also extends Thuney, but oh well. I thought the point was to develop a long-term group of guys to go with your young franchise QB? It looks like Poles is patching together a team that could be good for a year or two. Edited March 10 by WhiteSox2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Not a fan of Poles throwing money at two older guys, assuming he also extends Thuney, but oh well. I thought the point was to develop a long-term group of guys to go with your young franchise QB? It looks like Poles is patching together a team that could be good for a year or two. You can do both. They aren't starting 3 rookies on the offensive line, and 3 years in the NFL is a lifetime. You can draft guys this year/next year and develop them. You also need to stagger a bunch of paydays. You can't have Caleb and your entire OL/DL up for contracts at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Not a fan of Poles throwing money at two older guys, assuming he also extends Thuney, but oh well. I thought the point was to develop a long-term group of guys to go with your young franchise QB? It looks like Poles is patching together a team that could be good for a year or two. Which free agents guards would you have preferred signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 31 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Not a fan of Poles throwing money at two older guys, assuming he also extends Thuney, but oh well. I thought the point was to develop a long-term group of guys to go with your young franchise QB? It looks like Poles is patching together a team that could be good for a year or two. I think it's having the solid vets around while Caleb is still on his rookie contract where you can more easily spend money. Meanwhile you're also drafting and developing for the future without relying on them being starters from day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 34 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Not a fan of Poles throwing money at two older guys, assuming he also extends Thuney, but oh well. I thought the point was to develop a long-term group of guys to go with your young franchise QB? It looks like Poles is patching together a team that could be good for a year or two. Easy to say that, but what would have been your alternative to what they did? None of this matters if Caleb isn’t the guy, and they have to figure that out this year. By the end of this year, they need to know if he’s it. So you need to give him an OL/team in order to make an accurate assessment. What would you have done differently? What names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, bmags said: I don't know if it's interesting but it does seem like Grady Jarrett became less awesome when Dan Quinn left. From my very limited research, Ryan Nielson was running probably similar stuff, not like he was converted to 3-4, but I do wonder if Dennis Allen has an idea of what will work best for Jarrett. I'm more convinced this will be a thing. They've switched around 3-4 / 4-3 recently, and now Raheem Morris is firmly 3-4. They are probably now convinced he's not the best 3-4 nose fit. He was great in 4-3, and now 2 years removed from his ACL. I hope this will be a big payoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Which free agents guards would you have preferred signing? Yeah that's the thing. Aaron Banks got 4 years and $77 million. I'd honestly rather have Jackson for 1 year at $17 million for a 6th rounder. If he sucks, you cut him next year with no strings attached. If he's good, you can keep him for another year at $17 million. There are older alternatives on short deals like Scherff or Zeitler, but those guys don't have the upside of Jackson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 9 minutes ago, bmags said: I'm more convinced this will be a thing. They've switched around 3-4 / 4-3 recently, and now Raheem Morris is firmly 3-4. They are probably now convinced he's not the best 3-4 nose fit. He was great in 4-3, and now 2 years removed from his ACL. I hope this will be a big payoff. Were they playing him as a nose tackle? He's a natural 3 tech, so moving to a 4-3 scheme should help him a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 16 minutes ago, chw42 said: Yeah that's the thing. Aaron Banks got 4 years and $77 million. I'd honestly rather have Jackson for 1 year at $17 million for a 6th rounder. If he sucks, you cut him next year with no strings attached. If he's good, you can keep him for another year at $17 million. There are older alternatives on short deals like Scherff or Zeitler, but those guys don't have the upside of Jackson. Fully agree. And we still have almost all our 2025 draft capital. A OT in the 1st is still a possibility (whether at 1.10 or via a trade down) and we can now draft a OG prospect in the middle rounds and let him develop on the bench for a year or two now. Plenty of ways to inject youth into the line while giving Caleb the protection he needs in a critical year 2. That’s the benefit of a QB on a rookie contract. Edited March 10 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Not a fan of Poles throwing money at two older guys, assuming he also extends Thuney, but oh well. I thought the point was to develop a long-term group of guys to go with your young franchise QB? It looks like Poles is patching together a team that could be good for a year or two. You have already wasted a year with the #1 pick QB in an era where FA QBs are getting close to half a billion. You have to get Caleb a line yesterday. You also have caproom. This is obvious moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 33 minutes ago, chw42 said: Were they playing him as a nose tackle? He's a natural 3 tech, so moving to a 4-3 scheme should help him a lot more. Honestly looks like they were in nickel by far the most so probably not a big change lol. But for us it will be different!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You have already wasted a year with the #1 pick QB in an era where FA QBs are getting close to half a billion. You have to get Caleb a line yesterday. You also have caproom. This is obvious moves. But seeing where the free agent market was - I do give credit for the front office being aggressive on the trade front as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 It’s exciting because it appears they really did address exactly what we all know to be a problem. Right now the only question is whether Jones can hold up. If he is good that line should really be heads and tails better than last season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 12 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s exciting because it appears they really did address exactly what we all know to be a problem. Right now the only question is whether Jones can hold up. If he is good that line should really be heads and tails better than last season Worried he won’t even be ready for year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Not a fan of Poles throwing money at two older guys, assuming he also extends Thuney, but oh well. I thought the point was to develop a long-term group of guys to go with your young franchise QB? It looks like Poles is patching together a team that could be good for a year or two. That's what the draft is for. Guys they draft this year need to get up to speed in the NFL. Get veterans who can stop right un and play well. Draft the replacements and get them seasoned. Edited March 10 by ptatc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 24 minutes ago, ptatc said: That's what the draft is for. Guys they draft this year need to get up to speed in the NFL. Get veterans who can stop right un and play well. Draft the replacements and get them seasoned. That's what the Chiefs and Eagles always do exceeding well. Saw that Laremy Tunsil (Texans) was moved for what looks like a bargain...see how much gas is left in the tank with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 58 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s exciting because it appears they really did address exactly what we all know to be a problem. Right now the only question is whether Jones can hold up. If he is good that line should really be heads and tails better than last season That's my thing. We all banged our fists on the table that both lines sucked. They made 5 FA/Trades and all 5 were OL/DL. How many times as fans do we watch our team not address key areas that seem so obvious? Was it PERFECT? Probably not, but time will tell. But sometimes doing the most obvious thing is also right...and it seems like that's what they did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 hours ago, Tony said: That's my thing. We all banged our fists on the table that both lines sucked. They made 5 FA/Trades and all 5 were OL/DL. How many times as fans do we watch our team not address key areas that seem so obvious? Was it PERFECT? Probably not, but time will tell. But sometimes doing the most obvious thing is also right...and it seems like that's what they did. Well it was obvious because it was really all that was left. They addressed the secondary, then linebacker and offensive skill position and QB. Both lines were what is left to upgrade. That was the plan and they followed through. I would have reordered it personally but at least the did it systematically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 I wonder if Jeanty is a smokescreen and they are trying to hope one of top OT or DEs make it there to 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chisoxfn said: I wonder if Jeanty is a smokescreen and they are trying to hope one of top OT or DEs make it there to 10. I hope so. Like what was pointed out, a couple of the linemen acquired are a little older. Acquire and and break in the replacements now. Edited March 11 by ptatc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I think it's funny but realistically the bears despite aggressively filling gaps, aside from the Thuney trade mostly just got solid starters. None of Jarrett, Odebingo or Dalman were top ten slam dunk free agents. They give the bears solid starters the next two years though and let them (presumably) re-sign gordon. But we still need to find some elite players, and I'm glad they kept these 4 picks in the top 73. I think one thing that both Poles and Joe Schoen learned is keep your top guys when you don't have a lot of em - even if they aren't the premium positions. You don't need to adjust that in Free Agency. You keep Ro & David Montgomery and then use your draft to target the top positional value. You aren't going to be better just by spending more cap on the best of what gets thru FA...especially when you require they be 26 or younger. For Giants, you could be this year with Saquon and McKinney already in tow, happy long time leaders that know what you wanna do. Instead you "couldn't pay that much to a Safety and RB"...and then just go out and spend big on a safety anyway. You have no qb, but you could put one on a team with Saquon and Nabers. I mean - yes, if you have all pro / pro bowl talents at OT/WR/QB you don't pay to keep your center/safety/rb. But when you don't...just keep them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/article/bears-again-dominating-the-offseason-get-plenty-of-help-on-offensive-and-defensive-lines-204433613.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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