53 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Not me.

You would take Madrigal over a lot of guys so not sure your opinion holds a lot of weight.

26 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Exactly. Both sunk costs. One ends sooner. 

Love that

32 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

You would take Madrigal over a lot of guys so not sure your opinion holds a lot of weight.

Let's take a vote...I think you must be the smartest fan ever.

10 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Let's take a vote...I think you must be the smartest fan ever.

Far from it but know Nick Madrigal sucks at baseball.

41 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Let's take a vote...I think you must be the smartest fan ever.

C’mon poppy, the Sox knew they made a mistake drafting Madrigal and sold him high for Kimbrel (or at least they thought so at the time).  The Cubs just non-tendered him.  That trade ended up being a bust for both teams.  Kimbrel sucked and both Madrigal and Codi Heuer are no longer Cubs.

What do you still see in Madrigal that makes you think he is a good player?  It’s pretty obvious that he’s not the next coming of Nellie Fox.  He’s no better than awful Nicky Lopez.  Did you love what you saw from Little Nicky last season?  The Sox non-tendered his ass too.

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4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

C’mon poppy, the Sox knew they made a mistake drafting him and sold high.  The Cubs just non-tendered him.  What do you see in Madrigal that makes you think he is a good player?  He’s not the next coming of Nellie Fox.

I think there were some clubhouse issues with him too.

11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I think there were some clubhouse issues with him too.

Yep, so it wasn’t bad enough that he was a terrible player…  the dude had an ego and thought he was the s%*#.  What a tool…

Madrigal would have to have a 50 year career to finish with 3,000 hits.

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6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I think there were some clubhouse issues with him too.

Sounds familiar. Something about refusing to make adjustments or take coaching.

The more I think about it, the more that I feel like a Crochet for Mayer + Montgomery trade will happen.  Just makes too much sense for both sides.

14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The more I think about it, the more that I feel like a Crochet for Mayer + Montgomery trade will happen.  Just makes too much sense for both sides.

Or Campbell + Montgomery. Especially if Soto to Boston happens (please happen)

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14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The more I think about it, the more that I feel like a Crochet for Mayer + Montgomery trade will happen.  Just makes too much sense for both sides.

Seeing the Os signing the Red Sox OF makes me wonder if one of the young OFs free up from them too.

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Seeing the Os signing the Red Sox OF makes me wonder if one of the young OFs free up from them too.

Same

Unless the Sox can pry Roman Anthony away from the Red Sox, I really want Aidan Miller from the Phillies and think that could especially be on the table if they land Bregman and can trade Bohm. If not Miller then give me Mayo or Basallo - I want a big bat with some big time pop in return 

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17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Seeing the Os signing the Red Sox OF makes me wonder if one of the young OFs free up from them too.

15 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Same

As in Kjerstad?  I kinda hope that ship has sailed.  Kjerstad has 5 years of control left and also turns 26 before next season begins.  He has almost aged out to be a truly preferable trade target for the White Sox with where their timeline is at to be competitive again.

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22 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Or Campbell + Montgomery. Especially if Soto to Boston happens (please happen)

Yeah if Soto goes to BOS they will have an OF glut for sure and Braden Montgomery will be a trade piece. 

 

I don’t think Soto is going to Boston unfortunately.  Mets or Yankees appear to be the leaders.

I don’t see Redsox including Campbell in a deal for Crochet even though that would be fantastic. Would guess something like Mayer, Montgomery and a 3rd slightly lesser flyer maybe? Maybe someone like Cespedes. 
 

Would prefer guys with no ST. 

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t think Soto is going to Boston unfortunately.  Mets or Yankees appear to be the leaders.

Agreed.  They could still deal Montgomery though.  Anthony is the guy they are keeping fo sho.

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

C’mon poppy, the Sox knew they made a mistake drafting Madrigal and sold him high for Kimbrel (or at least they thought so at the time).  The Cubs just non-tendered him.  That trade ended up being a bust for both teams.  Kimbrel sucked and both Madrigal and Codi Heuer are no longer Cubs.

What do you still see in Madrigal that makes you think he is a good player?  It’s pretty obvious that he’s not the next coming of Nellie Fox.  He’s no better than awful Nicky Lopez.  Did you love what you saw from Little Nicky last season?  The Sox non-tendered his ass too.

I haven't brought up Madrigal in months.  However, I like scrappy little players who the pros pick to go at the top of the draft.  The injury bug takes down guys like Moncada who is every bit the disappointment of Madrigal.  Big strong men who hit .200 with 30 bombs just aren't my thing.  Some posters get tiresome with their constant negative BS.  As I have said many times. entertainment is what I want to see.  Speed, defense, and timely hitting are more entertaining than a HR every 20 at-bats.  Carry-on.

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Agreed.  They could still deal Montgomery though.  Anthony is the guy they are keeping fo sho.

Fully agree.  Montgomery is obviously a nice prospect and you never want to give those up if you can avoid it, but he doesn’t really impact their near-term roadmap.  I fully expect him included in any major trade, whether Crochet or for someone else.

Anthony & Campbell seem like their two untouchables IMO and I think they’d be hard pressed to give up Teal just due long-term need.  That makes Mayer the most expendable of their big 4 and with Merkin saying that we are targeting a SS in a Crochet trade it just makes too much for him to be the centerpiece.

14 minutes ago, poppysox said:

I haven't brought up Madrigal in months.  However, I like scrappy little players who the pros pick to go at the top of the draft.  The injury bug takes down guys like Moncada who is every bit the disappointment of Madrigal.  Big strong men who hit .200 with 30 bombs just aren't my thing.  Some posters get tiresome with their constant negative BS.  As I have said many times. entertainment is what I want to see.  Speed, defense, and timely hitting are more entertaining than a HR every 20 at-bats.  Carry-on.

Injury bug and Madrigal also go hand in hand. Carry on.

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13 minutes ago, poppysox said:

I haven't brought up Madrigal in months.  However, I like scrappy little players who the pros pick to go at the top of the draft.  The injury bug takes down guys like Moncada who is every bit the disappointment of Madrigal.  Big strong men who hit .200 with 30 bombs just aren't my thing.  Some posters get tiresome with their constant negative BS.  As I have said many times. entertainment is what I want to see.  Speed, defense, and timely hitting are more entertaining than a HR every 20 at-bats.  Carry-on.

Agreed, but one of my favorite players of all time is Mike Cameron right before he was traded for Konerko.  Speed, defense, and would hit some bombs.  Let’s get more players like that.

33 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Fully agree.  Montgomery is obviously a nice prospect and you never want to give those up if you can avoid it, but he doesn’t really impact their near-term roadmap.  I fully expect him included in any major trade, whether Crochet or for someone else.

Anthony & Campbell seem like their two untouchables IMO and I think they’d be hard pressed to give up Teal just due long-term need.  That makes Mayer the most expendable of their big 4 and with Merkin saying that we are targeting a SS in a Crochet trade it just makes too much for him to be the centerpiece.

Mayer is very talented but his BABIP fueled performance last year and injuries are scary.

Still....I bet we wouldn't say no to Mayer and Montgomery, unless PHI offered Miller and Crawford. 

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13 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

Mayer is very talented but his BABIP fueled performance last year and injuries are scary.

Still....I bet we wouldn't say no to Mayer and Montgomery, unless PHI offered Miller and Crawford. 

I couldn’t pass on that second offer.  But I’d also jump at Painter and Crawford.  Not sure the Phillies would offer either duo for Crochet.

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3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Not that I think it would be offered, and I know the Sox need position prospects, but I don’t think I could pass on that second offer.  A potential ace and an outfielder with Carl Crawford’s genes.

What ace?

I meant Aidan Miller.