6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I disagree.  This exactly the type of guys we should be adding,  not subtracting.  These are the guys that grow out of no where, or find an extra 2 inches on their fastball. Are the odds low?  Sure.  But they are also the ones who do the crazy leaps.

Booser or Fajardo?

23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Booser or Fajardo?

Guys in their thirties are much less likely to add two inches than 18 year olds. Vertically, not horizontally.

24 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Booser or Fajardo?

Fajardo.  Trading them for 30something relievers is Rick Hahnesque

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Fajardo.  Trading them for 30something relievers is Rick Hahnesque

And makes very little sense for this team in its current state.  Boston acquired Crochet from the White Sox for prospects but then sends this older reliever to the White Sox for a prospect?  If Boston thought Booser would be a reliable reliever for their team that is actually trying to compete in 2025, why didn’t they just keep him in their bullpen?

Edited December 22, 20241 yr by WhiteSox2023

9 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Sox should be looking to create guys like Booser and trade them away for youth, just like the Red Sox did.  Not acquiring guys like Booser.  The Sox are going to be terrible next season.  They have plenty of opportunity to pitch guys from their own system that could be the next Booser.

Like @Balta1701 said, isn’t it funny that the Red Sox, a team that is actually going to compete in 2025 unlike our Sox, would rather have the 18-year old Fajardo in their minors than Booser on their MLB roster?

The ugly Sox should be looking to create guys Crochet and Sale and trade them away for youth, just like the White Sox did.

In principle though, I agree, which is why I think they should probably trade Cannon and look to trade one or more of Martin, Adams, Iriarte, Thorpe, etc when the time is right. But in terms of which color Sox develops pitchers to trade, it doesn't really seem to debatable which team is better at it over the last decade or so.

It's not that funny, they signed two lefties in Chapman and Wilson and are paying them a combined $12mil and Booser is probably not as good as them or nearly as well-compensated. If CBoozTheSock sucks, you lose a 17-year-old lottery ticket (extra lotto component is that he's a pitcher who doesn't throw 100mph), who cares. If CBooz is relatively good, he's under team control for a while and is more valuable to the White Sox than the teenager. The White Sox can afford the spot on the 40man, the Red Sox can't. 

Clearly it looks bad for the Red Sox if one of Wilson or Chapman performs worse than Booser. Wilson posted a 5.59 ERA last year, Chapman is up and down and old, it might end up looking pretty bad for them. They are a poorly run team, arguably worse than the White Sox, they just have, in theory, a giant budget.

I hate this trade, but here’s the logic: Boston faces a roster crunch. They’re gonna have to DFA this guy, so they ask around for trade proposals. They Sox like the guy enough that Boston knows he ain’t getting past waivers, so they take less than he’s worth so they don’t let him go for nothing. They reports are good on Fajardo, but DSL pitcher is not a huge price, so the Sox were willing to pay it. Maybe Boston bluffed them and they had no other offers, but whatever.

47 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Guys in their thirties are much less likely to add two inches than 18 year olds. Vertically, not horizontally.

What in the world are you talking about?

2 other thoughts I had:

-Could this be this years version of Getz liking some guys story and paying for leadership? Wouldn’t be the first time.

-if this works as well as last years bullpen additions are we allowed to question the reputation of Katz and Bannister?

11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What in the world are you talking about?

He specifically said that he didn’t like this move because these are the type of guys who sometimes grow two inches. You asked which player he was talking about. 

30 year olds rarely grow upwards by two inches. Sometimes they grow outwards by that much.

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

Fajardo.  Trading them for 30something relievers is Rick Hahnesque

Maybe this and Wilson paint a picture: Getz's meta is acquiring old, controllable relievers with hopes to flip them?

I don’t think Booser being 32 is very relevant. It’s all about value created. He’s a lefty with good stuff, 5 years of control and 3 options. They’re hoping to optimize him under their pitching development system and flip him again at some point. I like Fajardo but I’ll trust them on pitching decisions in general going forward. 

6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

 I like Fajardo but I’ll trust them on pitching decisions in general going forward. 

What successes justify this faith?

10 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Sox should be looking to create guys like Booser and trade them away for youth, just like the Red Sox did.  Not acquiring guys like Booser.  The Sox are going to be terrible next season.  They have plenty of opportunity to pitch guys from their own system that could be the next Booser.

Like @Balta1701 said, isn’t it funny that the Red Sox, a team that is actually going to compete in 2025 unlike our Sox, would rather have the 18-year old Fajardo in their minors than Booser on their MLB roster?

The Red Sox ran into a 40-man crunch with the signing of Patrick Sandoval. 

12 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

And the Boston Red Sox, who clearly intend to compete this year, and who had Booser, looked at an 18 year old years away from the big leagues and said “yeah we’d rather have that.”

I think it’s more of a 40-man roster crunch on Boston’s part than Booser not being good. They probably want to make more additions and need spots on the 40.

If Jerry gives you a mandate to reduce payroll to under $50M I suppose you have to work at the fringes to find competent major leaguers to avoid another single season loss record.

21 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

If Jerry gives you a mandate to reduce payroll to under $50M I suppose you have to work at the fringes to find competent major leaguers to avoid another single season loss record.

The payroll numbers are looking insane.   I knew the cuts would be drastic, but seriously, he needs to sell the team.  There is no doubt he’s pulling a Rachel Phelps.

33 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

I think it’s more of a 40-man roster crunch on Boston’s part than Booser not being good. They probably want to make more additions and need spots on the 40.

If this guy was going to be put on waivers, after being waived can’t he be claimed by any team? 

And isn’t the order of waiver claims based on the record last season, where the White Sox would have the highest priority of any team in the last 60 years?

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

The payroll numbers are looking insane.   I knew the cuts would be drastic, but seriously, he needs to sell the team.  There is no doubt he’s pulling a Rachel Phelps.

It’s ridiculous but the only silver lining is that they actually can hopefully get the #1 pick this time by being that bad again. But knowing this team, they will probably get screwed in the lottery.

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If this guy was going to be put on waivers, after being waived can’t he be claimed by any team? 

And isn’t the order of waiver claims based on the record last season, where the White Sox would have the highest priority of any team in the last 60 years?

I believe so. If Boston was going to DFA this guy, then yeah giving up a prospect looks bad when they could have just claimed him eventually. But perhaps other teams inquired on him too. He doesn’t have much of a track record but cheap and controllable lefty relievers with good stuff aren’t easy to find.

In the White Sox' 3-17 start to 2024, 12 of 20 of those games saw the bullpen crumble and give up runs, late. 

That bullpen was built on a lot of bounce back hopes, and it performed accordingly. I could certainly see Getz building a stronger bullpen to open this season, knowing that this year, we have a good dozen options crowding the AAA pitching staff. We have depth this year we just didn't have last year. 

I feel that in Booser, Marinaccio, Penn Murfee, Steven Wilson, you have a more stable situation coming into the season, with guys you can trade instead of just cycling through. 

I don't like trading Fajardo, just as I didn't like trading Luis Rodriguez for Corey Julks. 

My belief is that we've moved on from bringing in a bus load of rehab dudes, and now we're onto solid options who can actually be traded at the TDL. 

Edited December 22, 20241 yr by WestEddy

7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If this guy was going to be put on waivers, after being waived can’t he be claimed by any team? 

And isn’t the order of waiver claims based on the record last season, where the White Sox would have the highest priority of any team in the last 60 years?

Depending on the type of waivers, they can pull him back and keep him on the 40-man for a period of time. Knowing he would be grabbed right up, they probably just worked out a trade. 

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I don’t think Booser being 32 is very relevant. It’s all about value created. He’s a lefty with good stuff, 5 years of control and 3 options. They’re hoping to optimize him under their pitching development system and flip him again at some point. I like Fajardo but I’ll trust them on pitching decisions in general going forward. 

You keep saying 5 years of control, but I don't believe he logged a full season in the bigs, 2024. It's conceivable he never reaches free agency in his career. 

17 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

In the White Sox' 3-17 start to 2024, 12 of 20 of those games saw the bullpen crumble and give up runs, late. 

That bullpen was built on a lot of bounce back hopes, and it performed accordingly. I could certainly see Getz building a stronger bullpen to open this season, knowing that this year, we have a good dozen options crowding the AAA pitching staff. We have depth this year we just didn't have last year. 

I feel that in Booser, Marinaccio, Penn Murfee, Steven Wilson, you have a more stable situation coming into the season, with guys you can trade instead of just cycling through. 

I don't like trading Fajardo, just as I didn't like trading Luis Rodriguez for Corey Julks. 

My belief is that we've moved on from bringing in a bus load of rehab dudes, and now we're onto solid options who can actually be traded at the TDL. 

November 2025: “How can you blame Katz and Bannister for the bullpen being bad again, they had nothing to work with on a $60 million payroll, literally no one said the bullpen was going to be improved this year.”

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I don’t think Booser being 32 is very relevant. It’s all about value created. He’s a lefty with good stuff, 5 years of control and 3 options. They’re hoping to optimize him under their pitching development system and flip him again at some point. I like Fajardo but I’ll trust them on pitching decisions in general going forward. 

He's also old enough that he could see a major age related decline during his control years.

15 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You keep saying 5 years of control, but I don't believe he logged a full season in the bigs, 2024. It's conceivable he never reaches free agency in his career. 

He logged 150 days, which I believe is short of a year